Gil -
I second Glen's statement here. I personally value the fact that I know
many people from many walks of life with many modes of apprehending and
being in the world. This FriAM/WedTech Crowd is an important part of
that (even though I rarely make a showing at either table in person).
For the most part, this group are comfortably in the "middle class"
spectrum, though I know that not to be the exclusive case. We are a
much more eclectic group intellectually and culturally.
If I understand Glen's intention correctly, I believe that the isolation
that comes with many aspects of modern society does feed into what the
original post referenced as pathological narcissism. Your own
testimony of how being marginalized by a system and culture is very
frustrating and only adds to the challenges you might already be
struggling with.
I do think that those who "snap" such as the various snipers, mass
shooters, etc. feel marginalized themselves, but among the anecdotal
examples I know of the individuals involved, their marginalization is of
a qualitatively different kind than that of the masses (think of the
"Black Lives Matter" or even "Occupy" movements)... I may be wrong but
these individuals appear to be coming from relatively privileged
positions... they probably didn't buy those guns and that ammo on their
EBT cards, for example. I think they often bought it with their
allowances given them by mommies and daddies too busy to raise their
children properly???
In any case, I agree with the arc of this thread, including I think your
own testimony, that anything we can do to help reduce the
marginalization (of all kinds) and help people avoid falling into
various kinds of withdrawal (including the pathological narcissism
called out by Joachin's post) will help to make the world better place
for all.
- Steve
On 8/1/16 9:48 AM, glen ☢ wrote:
Thanks for sharing more of your story! I believe it's our duty to share
stories, the more personal the better. It's how we understand our and others'
place in the world. Too many people are too terse and present context-less
thoughts. It's possible that part of the steady increase in the narcissistic
personality index has more to do with the ease with which we can isolate
ourselves due to modern tech. I appreciate tools like Twitter (and [sigh]
Facebook), streaming music, headphones, internet news, etc. But such things
limit our ability to tell interesting stories to one another. This episode of
Portlandia demonstrates this nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JLWQEuz2gA
Being on the periphery of academia much of my professional life, I run across a
lot of people who are much more willing to talk about Other People's Ideas
(akin to Other People's Money) than they are to talk about their own ideas.
I've always fought this. Yeah, read, read, read, read, read... Sure, pay
attention to the world. Of course, give proper credit when you can. But for
Yog's sake, tell the story in your own words. Your experience is worth the
time and effort it takes to tell it _and_ listen to it.
Anyway, thanks.
On 08/01/2016 08:23 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
Hmmm well I apear to be the groups simple-person-type.
Sure having some guesses as to why people are frankly snapping could be handy.
I suspect as a simple-ol'fation kind of Countery-Bumpkinish type. These people
had some frustrations that didn't get met. It possibly sat in there head while
doing day to day routines and they just wanted (ThisThingHere).
I think the other StarShip in the room is that America is doing a realy bad job
of admitting that people want a rich, fun and fulling life. That we are meant
to do things as a group and team for the most part.
That's totally cool
What is not so cool is ignoring people offering or needing ThingHere. Or just
being Aholes. That'll get people to snap. Seems like that's happening. I hope
things improve and hold out some hope they can and will.
I face this day to day I am on benifits. I get told quite a bit that 'your a
freeloader ' or 'No (we the powers that be don't think) you deserve better
benefits..' And none of them has had to live on about 70-80USD a week. That
kind of stress day in day out has a nasty way if instilling an eneromous
physical and mental drain no man woman or child should ever deel with. It can
and will eat at you if you are not careful.
Hell I'm even seeing some of the physical issues to that myself. Enormous
weight issues. Chronic discomforts. Migraines. Eetc.
A Normal healthy systems would never do that to anyone.
Then in my case there's the mentall tolls to: Self dbout, depression, anxiety,
mental energy, Staying clear and postive about wanting to be back to the
happy-go-lucky me, and in my case seriusly considering moving to either a new
state possibly countery.
People snapping meens the group didn't keep it's promise.
So they then snapped. We can guess what went through there heads and why, If
they didn't get the warmth, food, support, can do etc they needed then yeah
they'll snap somehow.
In my case I it was beyond luck and some part of me saying 'Hell no-dude this
is NOT you you do to give a damn, and you are to full of lite' when I almost
snapped my self because I didn't feel as though and still don't that my needs
and wants get met all that well.
I don't know how the hell I kept myself from getting worse. Fam has seen me
through all manner of stages in my life. lol. But others don't have that.
If they don't get there needs and wants met. they'll snap.
Here's a common scenario 'WHat do you meen you just want some warm clothes?' ,
'How dare you say you're down on your luck and need some food- that's
entitlement and we don't give out free stuff!'
That was a almost word for word that I have burned into my head at a this place
called SpiritLink several years ago when some persons house burned down and
they had to have a place to live.
Now imagine beging told that kind of crap while doing a demeaning process of getting
"Wellfare" so as you might pull yourself up? Over and over and over and over
again.
In my case: "Yeah I just need a check up" (to LOTS) of doctors offices "Oh don't take
your kind" (what do you meen I told one) "Oh we don't except BluCross from 'Obama care' (sigh)
"He yeah do you guys offer coaching services? and programs so I can get my
masters?" (The lady on the phone responded came across as laughing)
I guess I didn't need to go to that program.
I am lucky I have that I've been through enough Bullshit to somewhat shrug off
that kind of aholery.
If America expects to get anyplace that has got to end.
Anyway I guess i'm a pragmatist.
Aholery, and Taint hasn't gotten America anyplace but a bunch of people
snapping. That is not good or healthy.
I myself have said quite a few times I hope for a future in the world where
everyone is full if life, and light where every man woman and child can
experience pure unbridled bliss, joy and mirth,
and live a full wonderul life full of lite
Soon as that happens I suspect things will imrpove enormously, here and across
the globe.
^_^
Being on the recieving end of (some of) the Aholery they might have recieved I
thought it might be usefull for this group to see one of there own deels day in
and out with the rediclous issues some of those people may have dealt with.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Tom Johnson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes, and it also could explain Trump's "verbal violence."
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Santa Fe, NM
SPJ Region 9 Director
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 505-473-9646
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On Aug 1, 2016 2:53 AM, "Jochen Fromm" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Recently there has been an increasing number of rampage killings and
suicide attacks in Europe and America. One theory says that rampage killings
are related to pathological narcissism. The perpetrators are often offended
narcissistic outsiders who want to restore their crippled sense of self-worth
by an act of ultimate violence. Usually they announce their terror acts on
social media sites. I kill, therefore I am.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culture-shrink/201510/american-narcissism-and-mass-shooters
According to this Psychology Today article, many of the recent rampage
killings were a malignant form of narcissism, where the perpetrators had to satisfy their
"need for revenge…for undoing a hurt by whatever means… by giving their pain to
others and in doing so build up the remnants of their self-worth through violence".
What do you think about this theory? Does it make sense?
-J.
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