Others' stories are not the same thing as others' ideas. To have empathy is to understand a story. To be fair and objective is to offer and evaluate ideas. To be fair and objective means giving someone outside of the group a chance, but it also means that mistakes have consequences. Groups built around empathy and local interests are prone to failure on both counts.
For some, stories are valuable data. One person's life details facilitate analytics for those seeking elected office. The campaigners can gauge what people want and build their positions around that. Often any person that has some senior status in a community uses this kind of information to gain more status, or at least do their job better. One may or may not find this distasteful, depending on the situation, but my real complaint is not with the exploiters, it is with the tendency of people to seek and expect relationships but without offering any "terse and present context-less" analysis of their experience. Write a novel, paint a picture. Capture the concept to express somehow so that individuals can exchange information in the space of ideas and not in the space of (all of our) tedious and highly-replicated personal problems. Marcus.. who is looking forward to an introverted president and not a narcissist. They are not the same thing. -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 9:48 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings Thanks for sharing more of your story! I believe it's our duty to share stories, the more personal the better. It's how we understand our and others' place in the world. Too many people are too terse and present context-less thoughts. It's possible that part of the steady increase in the narcissistic personality index has more to do with the ease with which we can isolate ourselves due to modern tech. I appreciate tools like Twitter (and [sigh] Facebook), streaming music, headphones, internet news, etc. But such things limit our ability to tell interesting stories to one another. This episode of Portlandia demonstrates this nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JLWQEuz2gA Being on the periphery of academia much of my professional life, I run across a lot of people who are much more willing to talk about Other People's Ideas (akin to Other People's Money) than they are to talk about their own ideas. I've always fought this. Yeah, read, read, read, read, read... Sure, pay attention to the world. Of course, give proper credit when you can. But for Yog's sake, tell the story in your own words. Your experience is worth the time and effort it takes to tell it _and_ listen to it. Anyway, thanks. On 08/01/2016 08:23 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Hmmm well I apear to be the groups simple-person-type. > Sure having some guesses as to why people are frankly snapping could be handy. > > I suspect as a simple-ol'fation kind of Countery-Bumpkinish type. These > people had some frustrations that didn't get met. It possibly sat in there > head while doing day to day routines and they just wanted (ThisThingHere). > > I think the other StarShip in the room is that America is doing a realy bad > job of admitting that people want a rich, fun and fulling life. That we are > meant to do things as a group and team for the most part. > That's totally cool > > What is not so cool is ignoring people offering or needing ThingHere. Or just > being Aholes. That'll get people to snap. Seems like that's happening. I hope > things improve and hold out some hope they can and will. > > I face this day to day I am on benifits. I get told quite a bit that 'your a > freeloader ' or 'No (we the powers that be don't think) you deserve better > benefits..' And none of them has had to live on about 70-80USD a week. That > kind of stress day in day out has a nasty way if instilling an eneromous > physical and mental drain no man woman or child should ever deel with. It > can and will eat at you if you are not careful. > > Hell I'm even seeing some of the physical issues to that myself. Enormous > weight issues. Chronic discomforts. Migraines. Eetc. > > A Normal healthy systems would never do that to anyone. > > Then in my case there's the mentall tolls to: Self dbout, depression, > anxiety, mental energy, Staying clear and postive about wanting to be back > to the happy-go-lucky me, and in my case seriusly considering moving to > either a new state possibly countery. > > People snapping meens the group didn't keep it's promise. > > So they then snapped. We can guess what went through there heads and why, If > they didn't get the warmth, food, support, can do etc they needed then yeah > they'll snap somehow. > > In my case I it was beyond luck and some part of me saying 'Hell no-dude this > is NOT you you do to give a damn, and you are to full of lite' when I almost > snapped my self because I didn't feel as though and still don't that my needs > and wants get met all that well. > I don't know how the hell I kept myself from getting worse. Fam has seen me > through all manner of stages in my life. lol. But others don't have that. > If they don't get there needs and wants met. they'll snap. > Here's a common scenario 'WHat do you meen you just want some warm clothes?' > , 'How dare you say you're down on your luck and need some food- that's > entitlement and we don't give out free stuff!' > That was a almost word for word that I have burned into my head at a this > place called SpiritLink several years ago when some persons house burned down > and they had to have a place to live. > > Now imagine beging told that kind of crap while doing a demeaning process of > getting "Wellfare" so as you might pull yourself up? Over and over and over > and over again. > In my case: "Yeah I just need a check up" (to LOTS) of doctors offices > "Oh don't take your kind" (what do you meen I told one) "Oh we don't > except BluCross from 'Obama care' (sigh) "He yeah do you guys offer coaching > services? and programs so I can get my masters?" (The lady on the phone > responded came across as laughing) I guess I didn't need to go to that > program. > > I am lucky I have that I've been through enough Bullshit to somewhat shrug > off that kind of aholery. > > If America expects to get anyplace that has got to end. > > > Anyway I guess i'm a pragmatist. > Aholery, and Taint hasn't gotten America anyplace but a bunch of people > snapping. That is not good or healthy. > > I myself have said quite a few times I hope for a future in the world > where everyone is full if life, and light where every man woman and > child can experience pure unbridled bliss, joy and mirth, and live a full > wonderul life full of lite Soon as that happens I suspect things will imrpove > enormously, here and across the globe. > ^_^ > > Being on the recieving end of (some of) the Aholery they might have recieved > I thought it might be usefull for this group to see one of there own deels > day in and out with the rediclous issues some of those people may have dealt > with. > > > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Tom Johnson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Yes, and it also could explain Trump's "verbal violence." > > =================================== > Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism > Santa Fe, NM > SPJ Region 9 Director > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 505-473-9646 > <tel:505-473-9646> > =================================== > > > On Aug 1, 2016 2:53 AM, "Jochen Fromm" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Recently there has been an increasing number of rampage killings and > suicide attacks in Europe and America. One theory says that rampage killings > are related to pathological narcissism. The perpetrators are often offended > narcissistic outsiders who want to restore their crippled sense of self-worth > by an act of ultimate violence. Usually they announce their terror acts on > social media sites. I kill, therefore I am. > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culture-shrink/201510/american-na > rcissism-and-mass-shooters > > According to this Psychology Today article, many of the recent > rampage killings were a malignant form of narcissism, where the perpetrators > had to satisfy their "need for revenge…for undoing a hurt by whatever means… > by giving their pain to others and in doing so build up the remnants of their > self-worth through violence". > > What do you think about this theory? Does it make sense? > > -J. > > Sent from my Tricorder > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- ☢ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
