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-- rec -- On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't have much experience with the GEO providers, e.g. Hughes, but I > seem to remember that the minimum latency of about a quarter second round > trip imposed by the speed of light makes them very unpleasant to use for > VOIP, otherwise they are okay. Still, fiber is so much cheaper up until the > "last mile" (in urban areas), which more or less equates with the "last ten > miles" in rural areas. I have the impression that a lot of highways have > fiber optic along them, as the easements are already in place and they > connect urban areas capable of using the bandwidth from the fiber. But many > rural roads extend for many miles or tens of miles, with a few houses > widely scattered along them, so the cost of fiber is harder to justify > there. On flat land, microwave works very well with little investment in > towers, but the hillier the land is, the more towers and repeaters are > necessary. So something like Facebook's drone idea seems quite attractive: > use the drones as if they were extremely high towers, capable of relaying > signal from fiber optic connections along the highways down to those widely > scattered rural houses. One of the problems is keeping the antennas > aligned, since the airfoil-design drones need to keep moving to stay in the > air. I wonder if they have looked at using helium balloons for the lift, > and only use drone technology to stabilize them. That should work if the > wind is minimal at extremely high altitudes. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Perhaps a hybrid GEO/LEO could be made? The bandwidths are not bad for >> the existing satellite internet solutions. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gary >> Schiltz >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 11:55 AM >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again >> >> >> >> That's cool, but this type of low earth orbit (LEO) satellites seem to me >> more sutible for ubiquitous low bandwidth communication, e.g. satellite >> phones. I don't know how well it would scale - for example, I doubt that >> millions of people could simultaneously get their full megabit from a small >> LEO constellation. One alternative that looks intriguing to me is >> Facebook's Aquila drone, that flies at about 20km altitude - still low >> enough for microwave broadband communication, but high enough to avoid >> commercial air traffic. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Space X just launched the first 10 (of 70) of Iridium NEXT low-earth >> satellites. >> >> >> >> https://www.iridium.com/company/industryleadership/iridiumcertus >> >> >> >> It’s not high bandwidth (about a 1MB/sec), but should be lower latency >> than HughesNet, Wildblue, etc. >> >> >> >> *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Nick Thompson < >> [email protected]> >> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:13 AM >> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again >> >> >> >> No BroadBand at my farm in Central Massachusetts. Awaiting Gary’s >> International Assistance. Remember a few years back when Venezuela was >> supplying cut-rate oil to low income people in New England? >> >> >> >> Just Sayin’ >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gary >> Schiltz >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 10:43 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] How we can make the COUNTRY great again >> >> >> >> I have been working here in Ecuador to provide internet access to poorly >> served areas, and it is a challenge, albiet not an insurmountable one. >> Wireless technology from smallish companies like Ubiquiti, Mikrotik, and >> Mimosa to name a few, is pretty inexpensive, even here where import duties >> are high. The big challenge where I'm working is getting line-of-sight >> between nodes, where there is a lot of dense forest cover over 20 meters >> high. >> >> >> >> One thing that I found interesting in the article that Jochen linked to >> is that the US FCC defines broadband as 25mbps down / 3mbps up. Maybe I'm >> just used to it, but I find about 2up/1down plenty even for video >> streaming. More is always better, of course :-) >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Santa Fe, and New Mexico in general, is interesting in that regard. >> >> [...] >> >> But then there is a lot of the countryside that is left out of this. I >> really like the idea of making the Country(side) important. In NM there >> issues with the tribal lands which are poorly served, but it's getting >> better. >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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