Marcus -

I can only answer this for myself.  To the extent I am pacifistic, and identify with pacifism as a principle, I will state my own position/experience:

While I do value consequences, I value intentions yet more, there has been a lot of ambiguity and ambivalence in my life because of this duality.

*Personal Choice*: For me, pacifism is a personal choice and it is about who I choose to be/come.   I can offer advice and opinions to others about their own personal choices, about where their line between violence/non might be and what to do with it, but I don't presume to know what their context and choices are better than they do... to do so would be it's own form of violence.

*Vegetarianism*: At 14 I chose not to eat any meat from any animal I did not kill or butcher myself.   This made me a vegetarian as a matter of practice.   I held that line for nearly 20 years.   I am no longer a strict vegetarian, but am very sympathetic with the ideals of those who choose it on moral grounds, and even moreso those who choose vegan lifestyles.  I may return there.  I considered this my first significantly pacifistic decision in life.

*War*: I chose (but was relieved of acting on it) to refuse military service to my country and was prepared to leave it and never return to it as I came of 'conscription age'.   This was neither because I was a coward (though the reality of war WAS deeply threatening) nor because I believed the Vietnam War to be patently *wrong* (though there were plenty of indicators and I think time proved them correct for the most part).  I simply did not want to become a killer, especially one who killed on the orders of others, or put himself in a situation of kill-or-be-killed for arbitrary reasons.

*War Profiteeting*: I also *chose* to work at a nuclear weapons laboratory (eventually) in support of MAD and came close to working for the more conventional Military-Industrials, because I believed that "somebody has to have the big stick, it might as well be 'us' ".   I also liked the pay, the benefits and the presumed prestige.  But I never adopted a hawkish stance and took no more than passing *technical* pride in the products of my efforts, many of which were far from exclusively or even mainly military in application.   The fall of The Wall/Soviet Union helped me understand that MAD may always have been truly unnecessary (ill conceived?) madness, and a few choice words of Wisdom by the Dali Lama soon after, about the nature of violence/non  helped me understand all of that a little more. Some time supporting the National Intelligence effort helped me appreciate how slippery the slopes were and how much *I* didn't want to tread anywhere near that line of no return. Fortunately I ducked the "Edward Snowden" bullet, I saw plenty I didn't like, but nothing beyond the pale.

*Spare the Rod*: I chose to raise my children without giving over to the "spare the rod, spoil the child" mentality handed down by my parent's generation and held by more than a few peers.  I never struck nor threatened to strike my children, nor used abusive language toward them.   I recognized that the violences I DID perpetrate (witholding of approval, of resources, timeout/grounding) were acknowledgements of my own failure to guide/support them well enough and/or a failure in my own patience.  As far as I know, this worked out very well with them.   They might tell their intimates (or therapists) otherwise.

*Intervention*: I still have strong opinions about others' behaviour and the consequences of that behaviour and have been known to actively intervene when I felt inaction would allow significant harm to occur.   These actions are never easy to come to, to execute, nor to be smug about afterwards.   The few times I have taken significant interventive action (physically, verbally, legally, economically) were pivotal to my evolving character and I doubt I will ever feel with certainty that "I did the right thing".    There is nothing I feel acute regret about, but my judgement remains open on them.  I think that ambiguity/ambivalence is key to my continued pacifism.

*Capital Punishment*: Your point about capital punishment is well taken and I align with it for the most part.   I'm not willing to be a party to state-sponsored vengeance.   I accept that individuals DO take vengeance and accept that as part of "the human condition" and can imagine my own participation.  I accept that sometimes organizations (e.g. states) choose practical over ideological decisions (capital punishment as a way to avoid the expense and inconvenience of lifetime incarceration) but seek other alternatives.

*War Again:* Similarly, I don't like nor endorse the violence of war but accept that sometimes it is a point that groups arrive at, but I will not be party to the "vengeance" part of it.  Vilifying the enemy only makes war "easier", it doesn't make it "better".  True "self defense" is a practical admission of failure of all other means, and nothing to be proud of, merely to be exercised as effectively, thoughtfully and compassionately as possible.   Sadly I find very little of this in those who promote the death penalty nor war.  I hope there are truly "compassionate warriors" and suspect that some of my friends who have "been there" may have a significant component of that in them, it is not something easy for them to talk about and I respect that.

Peace Out Man...

 - Steve

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