Something you say reminds me of the difference between grey matter and
white matter in the brain.  What's wrong with mentioning brains?  White
matter influence increases with age as I recall.

Frank

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On Oct 19, 2017 1:07 AM, "Prof David West" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Yeah, the model is pretty obtuse - because I was trying to avoid using
> terminology like mind, brain, etc. But it was probably a futile effort.
>
> I define lower-case truth as a particular state of a mechanism, an
> impaired state. So my sensor-connection web - effector mechanism was
> designed/evolved to be absolutely dynamic and flexible so that it can
> respond to any possible combination of inputs by activating any and all
> appropriate outputs. If a sensor or an effector fails, the abilities of
> the system are diminished. If a specific pathway through the web of
> pathways becomes fixed and inflexible, the abilities of the system are
> diminished.
>
> I define lower-case truth as nothing more than one of those capability
> diminishing 'failures' of the system.
>
> Because the failure is within the system, it is local - hence 'local
> truth'.
>
> This is not a "belief" in the usual sense of that word, because the word
> implies a "believer," and I speak of nothing except a mechanism and
> particular states of that mechanism.
>
> Upper-case Truth simply does not exist.
>
> Now,application of  my model, use of my definition of 'truth', to
> understand the individual mechanism and its behavior in a large context
> I need to take small steps. So let me say that my mechanism is what
> underlies a human individual and look at one aspect of that individual's
> behavior - the use of language.
>
> A language like English is extraordinarily fluid and dynamic. That
> fluidity and dynamism is diminished, significantly, when individuals
> increasingly rely on linguistic constructs of the form: A IS B. You have
> heard me say, many times that the verb 'to be' is the root of all
> linguistic evil. I made that exact point in my model when asserting that
> a channelized circuit equated to A (a set of inputs) = B (a set of
> outputs).
>
> At some point, the application of my model/definition to a system
> containing multiple individual systems would be in order, but I have not
> approached that topic as yet. Primarily because my intent so far has
> just to provide the definition of 'truth' that you said was missing from
> the discussion.
>
> davew
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, at 01:28 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > Just checking:  I have a hard time following the model in detail, but it
> > sounds like what you mean by "truth" is very like what I mean by
> > "belief".  For me, a belief is a "local truth".
> >
> > So, that being the case,  what is the name of the thing that you say
> > doesn't exist, the thing that other people call, T-with-a-capital Truth
> > Are you asserting that there is no stable purchase point beyond what I
> > would call, "individual belief".  When a group of people coalesces around
> > a belief, what would you call that?  (Shared belief?)  Are all shared
> > beliefs of the same quality? (Group think?)
> >
> > Now please remember -- nobody seems to understand this point -- that as
> > of the moment I have made no argument for the EXISTENCE of anything
> > beyond local truth.
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> > Clark University
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Prof David
> > West
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:59 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Truth: “Hunh! What is it good for? Absolutely
> > Nothing!”
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > My definition refers to a single system - a single system and is not
> > intended to suggest anything about interacting systems, nor anything
> > external to itself. I do assume that this system is contained within a
> > complex system which is the source of the input signals detected by the
> > sensors. I similarly assume that the effectors may transmit signals to
> > the containing system but want to leave that aside for the moment.
> >
> > I could metaphorically equate my system to a neural network brain within
> > the skin of a human being — but again would prefer to simply focus on my
> > system in a non-anthropomorphized manner; just to keep things simple and
> > to avoid the potential for diversions into side conversations.
> >
> > I am also using neural networks - without naming things as such - again,
> > to avoid distractions, this makes explanations clumsier, but it serves my
> > purpose for the moment.
> >
> > The connecting web can route any input to any output, using a near
> > infinite number of pathways. More importantly it can route any
> > combination of inputs to any combination of outputs along any of the near
> > INFINITE (I yell only to point out the combinatorial explosion of
> > pathways) number of routes (circuits).
> >
> > Now imagine that this system is an organism and that the connection of
> > some [input | set of inputs | pattern of inputs] to [an| set of | pattern
> > of] outputs increases its survival potential. Further imagine that this
> > system is highly dynamic and acutely optimized to assure than and and all
> > input/s are conveyed to the most useful output/s (with useful being
> > simply the increase or maintenance of survival potential.
> > The web of input-output connects can be 'rewired' in "real time," i.e.
> > in whatever unit of time exists between receipt of the next inputs.
> >
> > Now imagine that a/some sensors seem to receive the same input over and
> > over again and, due to "fatigue" they either shut down and fail to relay
> > the input to the web, or they lock into constantly sending the same input
> > value to the web without regard to whatever was actually sensed.
> > System fault.
> >
> > Similarly, a particular pathway (set of pathways) are utilized more often
> > when receiving a particular pattern of inputs and those pathways
> > channelize, essentially become fixed. System fault because the ability of
> > the system to adapt is impaired. This would be particularly evident if
> > the pattern of inputs begins to subtly change, but change enough that the
> > pattern of outputs should be modified and they are not.
> >
> > Whenever these faults occur, the system as a whole starts behaving as if
> > A (set of inputs) IS B (set of outputs). That simply use of the verb 'to
> > be' is my definition of "truth," and it is purely local  because it is a
> > condition/state of the individual system.
> >
> > Very quickly - imagine several such systems interacting. Your marching
> > band for example. For each member of the band as a single organism (of
> > the type discussed above) all the other members of the band are simply
> > part of a containing complex system. When each of the individual systems
> > are using their innate ability to route the 'right' inputs to the 'right'
> > outputs the outcome can be cacophony that morphs into an exquisite
> > performance. But when individual systems start to fail - establish
> > truthiness - start to "mail in" their part of the overall performance,
> > the band as a whole and your enjoyment of their performance is bound to
> > suffer.
> >
> > davew
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, at 04:58 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> > > Dave sez:
> > > > It is certainly possible for one sensor-web-effector state machine
> > > > to "infect" another, i.e. stimulate a second machine to replicate
> > > > the behavior. If that happens we have 'convergence' which is nothing
> > > > more than collective 'fault'/ 'defectiveness'.
> > > >
> > > It sounds as if you believe that resonance, mode locking, phase
> > > locking, tidal locking, etc.  are somehow defective ways for systems
> > > to interact.   I can agree that they are modestly less interesting
> > > than more chaotic systems.   While *I* might find a marching (esp. if
> > > they are goose-stepping) army aberrant (and abhorrent), I might find a
> > > *marching band* or *synchronized swimmers* or a dance-troupe following
> > > a choreography (e.g. Cirque de Soliel perfomance) somehow beautiful.
> > > And I would suggest these are examples of what you are judging as
> > > "defective"?   I suppose that since only a *subsystem* of the units
> > > (dancers/musicians/soldiers) are mode/phase-locked for the duration of
> > > the march/performance, that this is only a partial example and
> > > therefore only *partially* defective/faulty?
> > >
> > > I believe it is in the liminal space which fills the near-locality of
> > > a shared "dialect" where the interesting stuff happens, not unlike in
> > > dynamical systems' "edge of chaos".   I agree with the technical
> > > expression that any "statement of Truth" is a defect, but that does
> > > not mean that it doesn't gesture in the direction of, or roughly
> > > circumscribe, or provide a proxy for a more transcendent "truth".
> > > One
> > > *might* argue that each individual has a private, idiosyncratic
> > > dialect of "the same language", and that interaction amongst
> > > individuals whose dialects are similar enough to intend to
> agree/discuss/converge/??
> > >
> > > I would claim that a well formed question suggests a family of
> "answers"
> > > and thereby hints at what we want to believe in as "truth".
> > >
> > > This paper may (or may not) offer some perspective on the evolution of
> > > a language/dialect and teh convergence/coherence issue.
> > >
> > > https://www.researchgate.net/project/Coherence-Convergence-and-Change-
> > > A-Sociolinguistic-Variationist-Approach-to-Dialect-and-Standard-Langua
> > > ge-Use-in-Swabia
> > >
> > > - Steve
> > >
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