Someone needs to make the joke: Nick you see an object are things. Tires coins. that strange drink some lady at TraderJoes had tap, Some things like this type of joke is called a silly (polite) or smartass (30+) answers
Thank you thank! I'll be at the Cabana of Humor all week :P On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:42 PM, Nick Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Eric, for responding. > > > > Life, here, is very complicated, right at the moment, but I wanted to > answer one of your comments, strait-away. > > > > *Not only can this happen in *sequence* as you assume. But it can also > happen in parallel. My hand can feel the elephant's trunk at the exact > same time my eyes can see the elephant. It's not clear to me what you gain > through such (over-)simplification* > > > > > > What I gain from the over simplification is humbleness, the same > humbleness that is so eloquently expressed in you extended passage. At the > risk of irritating Glen (which I truly strive not to do; I have supped too > often at his table), the Real can only consist of the validation of some > expectation of experience arising from an earlier experience. I once tried > to rescue a litter of wild kittens. I kept stepping on them because they > never learned to watch my EYES. They were too focused on my feet to > figure out what was going to happen next. I might respond to your critique > by conceding that the sequence of experiences is more like a braid than a > thread, but I think it is a sequence. But past, present, and future are of > course themselves experiences, and it is an accomplishment, not God given, > to distinguish between or our present experiences, our memories and our > expectations for the future. > > > > I hope to get another crack at your email before I go to bed tonight. > > > > > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Smith > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:39 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What is an object? > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2018, at 5:26 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "the validator of our senses can only be our senses" waaay > oversimplifies the set of experiences. If there were only 1 type of > experience, then you'd be right. But there are (at least) many types of > experience. And 1 experience of one type can "validate" a different > experience of an entirely different type. > > > > > > Not only can this happen in *sequence* as you assume. But it can also > happen in parallel. My hand can feel the elephant's trunk at the exact > same time my eyes can see the elephant. It's not clear to me what you gain > through such (over-)simplification. > > > > Yes, I was going to say something similar, and couldn’t figure out how to > say it so that it would be constructive rather than sounding like I was > trying to pick a fight (which I assure you, I never am; enough fights pick > me already which I wish to get out of). > > > > So many of these statements read, to me, as if they are asserting that the > structures of sense-data are some kind of self-evident bottleneck, or > conversely, that they are privileged in some correspondingly self-evident > way. I get this impression from reading Russell’s emphasis on the role of > sense data, in either Problems of Philosophy or History of Western > Philosophy (I forget which now). > > > > My sense data deliver essentially nothing direct about colliding black > holes, or colliding neutron stars, or rotating black hole accretion disks' > emitting gamma rays and ultra-high-energy neutrinos. (More specifically, > they deliver essentially nothing direct about whatever makes these > phenomena their particular selves, different from all the other phenomena > that they are not.) Anything I or anyone else knows about those subjects > and phenomena is distilled from unbelievably elaborate prosthetic systems, > which appeal, not so much to any particular sensory event, as to the > ability to coreograph such events in ways that are selective of certain > kinds of patterns. And then there is the whole edifice of logic, math, and > language to organize it all and make it navigable. What comes out of all > that, however, is a formal model of an external universe that is as worthy > of trust as anything my mind is capable of holding. > > > > That to say, I guess, that from a few bricks, the number of different > kinds of houses that can be built combinatorially is far greater than the > count of the types of bricks. So the limits on what patterns can be > apprehended seems to be very obscurely related to the limits of senses. > > > > At least to me. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 07/19/2018 02:17 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > >> I was just making the banal philosophical point that the validator of > our senses can only be our senses. So a hunch “about the world” is nothing > more than a hunch about future experiences of the world. As Harmon would > say, we can never touch the noumenal. > > > > > > -- > > > ☣ uǝlƃ > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > > > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > >
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