David, Well, unshared ontologies SOME of the time. It's the inconsistency -- in myself and others -- that drives me bonkers.
Great to hear from you. I am returning to SF a week from Saturday. Where are you? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize? Nick, what was the cat dosing with, LSD? (just being a smart-a__) Perhaps people provide a psychological question with a physiological answer for the same reason you reply to a consciousness question with a behavioral answer? Unshared ontologies? davew On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, at 1:08 PM, David West wrote: > Nick, what was the cat dosing with, LSD? (just being a smart-a__) > > Perhaps people provide a psychological question with a physiological > answer for the same reason you replay to a consciousness question with > a behavioral answer? > > davew > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Marcus, > > > > I have never understood how it comes to be that people answer a > > psychological question with a physiological answer. I, of course, > > share your belief that all psychological functions are physiologically (or > > electronically) mediated. Still, for instance, it would seem odd to > > me, if I asked a person if an animal can calculate the square root > > of three, for that person to answer, "That animal does not have the > > sort of brain that can calculate the square root of three". The > > natural course of argument would seem for me for the person to > > answer the question about the calculation activities of the animal > > and THEN go on, perhaps, to explain that answer in terms of the > > physiological limitations of the animal's brain. > > > > We once had a famously smart cat. One day we were watching TV and a > > cat came on. Our cat roused itself from dosing on the rug, went > > over and looked behind the tv, came back to the rug, looked at the > > TV, looked at us disgustedly, and lay down on the rug with its back to the > > TV. It > > never roused to a cat on the TV again. No cat would be dumb enough to > > be fooled by pornography. I don't know what that proves about the > > question at hand, but I love cat stories. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus > > Daniels > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:53 PM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize? > > > > I would say this relates to the reality (or not) of first-world > > problems. Humans that thrive in the first world must form (or be > > educated to acquire) higher-order representations. Psychologizing is > > one process that leads to higher-order representations. In an > > artificial deep neural network, the neurons in the higher layers > > represent more and more abstract interpretations of inputs that have > > be presented, but it can take hundreds of thousands of neurons and > > dozens of layers. > > > > One might imagine pets that have fewer neurons and less connectivity > > amongst neurons could still develop higher-level representations > > provided that these adaptations did not interfere with other > > essential information processing functions -- keeping in mind the > > most important function for a pet is probably anticipating the > > meaning of human signals. > > > > Anyway, we'll make great pets. > > > > Marcus > > > > On 9/17/18, 11:30 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <friam- > > [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes, Glen and Marcus. Very interesting. > > > > But, "Do animals psychologize?" > > > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus > > Daniels > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:57 AM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize? > > > > Glen writes: > > > > "Even in your example, we might notice that even though there are N > > licenses > > doled out, the deer population continues to rise. It would be > > over-intervention to simply issue more licenses. Perhaps the people > > getting > > the licenses are mostly an aging population who don't hunt much anymore > > but > > have some semi-automated approach to getting a license?" > > > > A population estimation input comes from tagging stations relative to > > issued > > licenses by category of deer, so they can & do close-the-loop by way of > > enforcement. > > The population estimation techniques require some assumptions, of > > course. > > > > Marcus > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at > > cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at > > cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
