> It's not clear to me which of these Marcus was responding to. But it > seems like he was responding to (1) with the variation as a function > of changes in perspective. But your teasing with (2) seems likely, > too, from which I infer that our world-cutters are dynamic and can be > complexified depending on whatever feedback mechanisms they're > dependent on.
I will admit to "playing" with the other topic you mentioned in your previous post in this thread, regarding the difference between talking to hear your own voice and having something interesting to say. As you know from some of our private correspondence, I often indulge in the former and then never post it because I recognize that what I'm blathering on about might be more self-indulgent than relevant. So in this case I tried to distill the essence of a long-winded response into bullet-points... 1) is probably most self-evident. 2) is an elaboration of 1... referencing the predator-prey like dynamics between what we call passive-aggressive and aggressive-aggressive... for example, watching various raptors being *harried* by much smaller birds (protecting their nests?). Here we might see a bird whose claws are adapted for perching and whose beak is adapted for seed-cracking using (threatening?) them in the mode that the (much larger and constitutionally more aggressive) raptor is adapted for (clutching, tearing). I watched my younger daughter take on this role with my older when they were in their teens... the younger was used to being (mildly) bullied by her older sister until one day she "found her voice" and discovered that she could "harry" her big sister very effectively with much more meticulously constructed barbs than her sister had ever used (along with physical dominance based on size-differences). I *didn't* (have to/choose to?) teach either of them the "sticks and stones" taunt because it seemed it would only aggravate such aggressive dynamics. I saw it used that way myself as I grew up. > I don't quite grok how (3) applies, I guess. My understanding of > abduction (whatever it actually means) has done the most for me > regarding how to handle outliers of any kind. Anomalies can never be > ignored. If one's world-cutting seems persistent, my preference is to > assume that it's motivated reasoning and the consistency is artificial. 3) is an under-elaborated reference to the question of "what means an anomoly/outlier?". For a given choice of model-fitting (choice of ontology) it is likely that there will be outliers... yet another model (ontology) would fit some of these outliers and expose "yet other" outliers. Blended or composed models/ontologies may resolve that tension (including more outliers) but at some point such blending/composition will become forced and suggest a more complete reformulation/refactoring of the model. This is partly responsive to our offline discussion about the question of how dynamic (mental) models really are/can-be/should-be. I liked the term you used of "world-cutter" but when I read the footnote referencing "cookie cutter" as the source of the metaphor I was disappointed. I thought you were referencing something closer to what James Burke coined in (of "Connections" fame) his "Axemaker's Gift" which contended that there was a convergence/co-evolution of the development of neo lithics and language in hominid history. He proposed the phrase "cut and control" to describe both the way constructed edged blades allowed humans to cut and control the physical world and the way language (nouns in particular) could be used to cut and control the conceptual world. By naming and categorizing things, humans made them more useful for their purposes in an analogous way to using edged stones to slice open and separate animal hides from flesh and fascia, to separate tendons and sinew for use in stitching and binding, to separate digestible portions from non-digestible, to pre-masticate, etc. - Steve > > On 7/26/19 8:53 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> 1. Stick and Stones ... >> 2. Passive-Aggressive modes/roles in Kolmogorov Models >> 3. Outlier identification within Persistent Homologies > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
