The only way to fix this is to do what I'm trying to do with Steve in the 
"means of production" thread. He seemed to use "means of production" as if it's 
a meaningful concept. And because I can't make sense of the phrase, I've asked 
him why he finds it meaningful. Then when he explains himself, I *try* to say 
what I thought he said but in my own words.

Checking your rendition of what you think a person might say against that 
person is the only way to get better. You have to always ask "Did I restate 
your position right?"

I don't intend to harass you, here. And I'm probably wrong. But I don't recall 
you ever doing that on this mailing list. You seem to hold quite fast to your 
side of the discussion. I'm a hypocrite, of course, because I don't do it 
anywhere near as much as I should. It's a flaw in our (particularly we males) 
ways of interacting. We're more interested in talking than listening. You could 
try it, now, by repeating back to one of us what you *think* we're saying and 
hope that person takes the (often significant) time, effort, and good will to 
iterate.

Of course, that type of iteration is *nothing* like what we tend to get in 
"school".

On 11/21/19 10:05 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Your reactions to my "puritan" probe completely surprised me, and I realize 
> that I don't have a good grip on your perspectives.  In a good "school", I 
> should be able to anticipate, or even channel, the reactions of other members 
> such that I could, if necessary,  fill in if one of you were absent.   But I 
> can't.  I would like to do better.  

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