On 2/22/20 7:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Glen writes: > > < By asking for more examples, it seems the original one (Ellison's Trump > support) isn't meaningful for you? Another example might be learning that > your organization accepted money from a convicted sex offender like Epstein. > These are triggers for some people. They'd trigger me, too. > > > A reason I can see for avoiding a term like EI is because others might not > have a binding for it, or there are too many different bindings observed for > it. And, specifically, that it is "pompous" to use the term if it is > expected there is no binding -- a way to bully the conversation in some > direction putting the other party at a disadvantage. But it is hypocritical > if one turns around and assumes there are shared values and that we should or > do all have them. This is arguing in bad faith because some values are > assumed to be mandatory and other optional, rather than all things being > optional.
Well, a) I didn't assume any shared values. I explicitly stated that such things are triggers for *some* people. I didn't say *all* people should be triggered by getting money from Epstein. And, given the popular culture at the moment I said I would *advise* Pinker to install a trigger, not that he must or even *should*. So, b) if you're accusing me of arguing in bad faith for rejecting the need for a sophisticated concept like EI, I think it's a false accusation. Even in my first post, I think I made the explicit comment that it doesn't matter whether the Oracle employee likes or dislikes that Ellison supports Trump. What matters is that the employee knows that Ellison = Oracle, hence Oracle supports Trump. And the question was whether that's a good trigger to have, regardless of how you react to the trigger. So, there are no shared values, here, only a rejection that we need sophisticated rhetoric like EI. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
