https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/20/emily-landon-coronavirus/
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:54 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: > Mmm. Well. That is true our medical system is a fragile mess as is. My > concern that I realize is a pretty unpopular opinion is a total lack of > perspective. One side of that is you have a higher risk getting hit by a > car than not making it through this, what ever it is. I gather the real > issue isn't that, it's people who for what ever reason don't quite stay at > some dry caugh cold, nasty flue like stage but then also get just nastily > congested lungs that need sterrioids and oxygen. > And all of that on top of a surreal amount of hyping up the negative and > turning it into a WWF style match from media. "PANDEMIC 2000 (PANDEMIC, > DEMIC EPIDEMIC MOOONSTER DEMIC RACING 2020!!! ALL THE...SAME SOUND BYTES > NOW WITH MORE COWBELL!!!" I don't know if that'll read well in text. > Anyone that was a kid of the 80s(us) and they'd have this truck rally adds > on Saturdays and Sometimes Sundays. I imagine how that'd sound with this > Max-Hendroomy thing of turning this epidemic into something like that. As > if it's a 80s WWF wrestling match > > But then also the scientists I don't think are saying lock yourself > inside.(yet) Pretty disturbing to call 'Eh well try to avoid people' as > Social Distancing. > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 11:49 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> It’s not about stalling for a treatment, it is to pace the hospital >> arrivals. >> >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> fuck "social distancing" this "shelter in place" shit has the assumption >> that we'll pull a rabbit out of our ass in 2-3 months tops. When in the >> history of medicine has that ever happend? I don't want people hurt by it. >> Drumming up more hysteria than the news already does isn't helping matters >> either. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 5:01 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Below is information I just saw from the Center for American Progress on >>> strategies to insure the election process can move forward. This is in >>> answer to Nick's (and my) concern. >>> >>> Expand opportunities for people to vote from home or at quarantine >>> locations >>> >>> States should think seriously about adopting all vote-by-mail >>> <https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/all-mail-elections.aspx> >>> elections >>> with vote centers or other in-person options for people who prefer or need >>> them. States such as Colorado, Oregon, and Washington have already >>> implemented all-mail elections with great success, and Hawaii will >>> begin implementing >>> <https://elections.hawaii.gov/voters/hawaii-votes-by-mail/> all-mail >>> voting during the 2020 elections. Another option is to adopt no-excuse >>> absentee voting >>> <https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx> >>> and >>> extend deadlines for requesting absentee ballots. A handful of states have >>> permanent >>> absentee voting >>> <https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/21/for-many-americans-election-day-is-already-here/>lists, >>> whereby every registered voter who signs up receives an absentee ballot >>> each election. As a precaution for upcoming elections, jurisdictions should >>> automatically >>> mail >>> <https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/capitol-ideas/mc-nws-pa-coronavirus-primary-election-mail-voting-20200312-rs7mnligozbv3f6m2wlrvr37ny-story.html>a >>> ballot to each registered voter well in advance of voting periods. Voters >>> should be able to return their ballots by mail or by dropping their voted >>> ballot off at conveniently located secure drop boxes or at drive-up, >>> drop-off locations. Ballot envelopes should be self-sealing to protect >>> <https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/election-polling-locations.html> >>> the >>> health and safety of election workers who handle absentee ballots. All >>> absentee ballots postmarked on or before Election Day must be counted even >>> if they are ultimately received days later due to postal service delays. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:56 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought this was kind of interesting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://us.dantelabs.com/pages/coronavirus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If they were doing something like this, might be able to collect both >>>> the viral and human data from one sample: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.illumina.com/content/dam/illumina-marketing/documents/products/appnotes/ngs-coronavirus-app-note-1270-2020-001.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Friday, March 20, 2020 at 12:02 PM >>>> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Outbreak Simulation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't go to sleep, please >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think our institutions are more robust and durable than you do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>> 505 670-9918 >>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:55 PM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Y’all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just got done with the FRIAM ZOOM session, which seemed to divide into >>>> two sessions, equally interesting, but quite different. Session one was an >>>> expert discussion of the complexity dynamics of the pandemic and how >>>> technology could be used to maximize privacy while slowing transmission. >>>> Session two was an exploration of what it is actually going to be like to >>>> live through the next six months, and what, if anything we should be doing, >>>> psychologically and practically, to prepare ourselves for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most riveting quote of the day, perhaps more riveting because it was so >>>> paradoxical: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “One thing you better have in mind as you plunge into a phase >>>> transition is a clear idea of how you want the world to look like after you >>>> come through it.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most actionable suggestion of the day: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Insist by every means possible that local and state election officials >>>> begin to plan (and practice in the primaries) a non-in-person voting system >>>> that will be regarded as legitimate by the general public. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally, speaking for myself, I was left with one meta-question: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How much time do we devote to trying to imagine the unimaginable. One >>>> the one hand, it seems like we have to; on the otherhand, trying to do it >>>> is so scarey that it runs the risk of bringing all thought to a stop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know how to handle it individually: If I start to panic, I just >>>> climb into bed, imagine that I am never going to wake up, and go to sleep. >>>> But conversation-wise, I am not so sure. Perhaps agree to devote small >>>> portion of the conversation to catastrophic thinking, with a clear >>>> boundary? Assuming we can do that, here is my suggestion for a >>>> catastrophic discussion: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Worse than the worst predictions for the virus acting alone, are the >>>> consequences of the virus acting in concert with a total collapse of our >>>> institututions, food production, distributution, our elections, public >>>> order, etc. (e.g., Who is going to plant and pick the crops if the borders >>>> are closed? Draft out-of-school college students?) Our country is run by >>>> a gerontocracy, which, being human, will try above all to protect >>>> themselves. But they will mosty fail, in any case, because they are the >>>> most vulnerable. What if, in their vain attempt to protect themselves, they >>>> bring down the whole? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok. Now I am going to bed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nicholas Thompson >>>> >>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>>> >>>> Clark University >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Jon Zingale >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 12:02 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Outbreak Simulation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At home, we are discussing the effect of the virus and the effect >>>> >>>> of social distancing on individuals that rely on soup kitchens. >>>> >>>> What strategies can Friam produce for feeding these people >>>> >>>> that is consistent with the social distancing strategy? >>>> >>>> For bonus points, please justify posted strategies with a model, >>>> >>>> or simulation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> emergentdiplomacy.org >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >>> twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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