On 5/5/20 9:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > You've never seen an EEG? Or probed around (carefully) with an oscilliscope/logic-analyzer probe in your phone while it is operating?
(no wonder my phones keep fritzing!) > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:45 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, Dave, > > > > So the same may be said of brains, right? Brain’s don’t behave. > > > > Where are you going with this? > > > > N > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:27 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve > > > > Allow Nick to say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking, > therefore it is thinking." > > > > How does a computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior? I > am looking at my computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet, > laptop, and desktop) and the only behavior I see any of them > exhibiting is precisely identical to the behavior of the glass > paperweight that also occupies space on my desk. > > > > What is this thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the > computer? Am I the only one that cannot see it? > > > > davew > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yup. That’s what he would say. What */persuades/* you that a > super competent computer can’t think? Can a dog think? How > would a Martian convince you that it (he, she) can think? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > > *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve > > > > Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a > highschool student asked me what the /hard problem/ is I would > say: There appears to be no limit to how competent computers > can be. They seem to be able to do just about anything that > people think requires thought. But I am persuaded that they > can't think. What makes the difference between thinking > people and hypercompetent computers? > > > > Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks. > I think. > > > > Frank > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith > <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: > > I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just > > self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why > do I feel like > > I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess that would > make me more of > > an allegorist? > > > > > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's > compulsive. You might want to get some help for that. > > > > > > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want > to run out and blow away a few cacti. 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