Glen,
Whether you like it or not, you are yourself a master of world play, so I assume you don't mean word "games" pejoratively. But that is a different conversation. You wrote: . ..If EricC's principle is taken seriously, the inner world of a black box device will be *completely* represented on its surface Given your second comment, I now interpret this as follows: Eric believes that everything that is going on in a black box is evident from outside the box. That, you rightly perceive, I disagree with. In fact, the whole idea of a black box is that you don’t know and can only surmise what is going on within it. If you could “see” within the box, it wouldn’t be black. If I owned a “golden goose”, I might surmise all sorts of internal arrangements by which the goose took in food and produced gold, but I would never kill the goose for the gold “inside”. That’s to confuse a behavior of an entity with the internal processes that mediate that behavior. And I really DO mean “internal” here. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:46 PM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve More word games. OK. s/world/context/g. Is that better? On 5/5/20 12:43 PM, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] wrote: > Oh. Isn't my 'world' that which surrounds me? Your world, that which > surrounds you? Etc. So for me to have an "inner world" I not only have to > climb inside me I have to climb inside that world inside me. This is either > an EXTREMELY complicated elaboration of the metaphor OR contradictory. No? -- ☣ uǝlƃ .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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