It’s finally come full circle. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/science/xenobots-robots-frogs-xenopus.html
From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:38 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve When I was on the faculty of the Robotics Institute at CMU our leader (fearless?),Raj Reddy, said that robots are artifacts that sense, think, and act. Robots are just computers with sensors, including cameras, and actuators. The "thinking" is the hard part. See Raibert, Marc H. and Francis C. Wimberly. Tabular Control of Balance in a Dynamic Legged System. IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 14, 1984. Frank On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:31 AM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I think you have just identified the problem with dualism. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:56 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool student asked me what the hard problem is I would say: There appears to be no limit to how competent computers can be. They seem to be able to do just about anything that people think requires thought. But I am persuaded that they can't think. What makes the difference between thinking people and hypercompetent computers? Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks. I think. I think I think, therefore I think I am? A real-world exercise in terminating tail recursion? Waddya think? Frank On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why do I feel like I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess that would make me more of an allegorist? > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want to > get some help for that. > > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run out and blow >> away a few cacti. Oh, it's a metaphor! .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918
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