"We record/observe *all* your behavior down to the minutest level... " is impossible.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, May 5, 2020, 4:13 PM Steven A Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 5/5/20 3:04 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Dammit, Nick. I can and frequently do spend hours planning, remembering, > composing emails, fantasizing about my next car, etc without exhibiting > any remarkable behavior beyond eyeblinking, touching my face (don't!), > crossing and uncrossing my legs. We've been through this before but what > is my latest plan about what to do when my auto lease is up? No one knows > but me despite your claim that I don't have private access to these kinds > of things. > > And following (weakly I am sure) Glen's reference to "holographically", I > believe that if we record/observe *all* of your behaviour down to the > minutest detail, we can learn a LOT about that inner state. If we had > that data from the *last* time you approached buying a new car (maybe years > out) we might recognize the specific patterns of leg-crossing and > eye-blinking and chair-leaning that go with fantasizing about that > muscle-car inspired anti-proton powered 6 wheel-drive hub-motor flying car > you have been jonesing on! > > I'm somewhat with Glen (as I understand him in this conversation) on the > ideation that inner and outer is somewhat mutable. Sometimes the 6-rotor > flying drone-car I fantasize (and blame on Frank) flitting around in is > *part of* *me* and other times it is what I interface *to* and *it* > interfaces (mostly) to the air (and sometimes to the water, the ground, and > unfortunately a tall tree here and there). When I am composing a message > *to* this august body named FriAM, I often think of youse alls as > "external" to me, but if I'm talking to one of the philistines in my life > who do NOT spend all their time talking/thinking about these kinds of > things (whatever these kinds are), I sometimes think of myself as being > *of* "the FriAM" rather than "in the FriAM" (or is that FriAM pan?). > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:36 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi,Glen, >> >> Careful. Isn't the formulation "inner world" entirely contradictory? >> >> N >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> [email protected] >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? >> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:50 PM >> To: FriAM <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve >> >> However, I think we can come up with a (maybe someday) testable >> hypothesis based on hidden states. In principle, if EricC's principle is >> taken seriously, the inner world of a black box device will be *completely* >> represented on its surface (ala the holographic principle). Any information >> not exhibited by a black box's *behavior* will be lost/random. >> >> This implies something about the compressibility and information content >> of the black box's behavior, right? >> >> On 5/5/20 10:38 AM, Prof David West wrote: >> > This does not advance an argument against the possibility of a computer >> thinking — merely an assertion that "behavior" is not a valid basis upon >> which to argue that they do. >> >> >> -- >> ☣ uǝlƃ >> >> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >> .... . ... >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> >> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... >> .... . ... >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> >> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > > > -- > Frank Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505 670-9918 > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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