For which mill: understanding the patient's unconscious processes. Anything the patient produces including dream accounts, feelings toward the therapist (positive and negative), conscious fantasies (sexual or otherwise), accounts of childhood experiences, crying, rages, forgetting to pay the bill. You get the idea. It's all grist for the mill it's the most idiographic possible investigation of a human psysche I suspect.
The transference including idealizing and devaluing the therapist, defiance, rejection, dependency, longing for merger, etc is the most important grist. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, May 19, 2020, 5:22 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, yes, but for which mill?? > > > > If one accepts dream reports as proxies for dreams, what is the universe > to which one is generalizing? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:41 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] IS: Research on Dreams WAS: hidden > > > > Memories and the accounts thereof are considered valid dream material and > it is well known that they have an imperfect relationship to the dream. It > doesn't matter. Even if a person makes up.a dream; it is grist for the > mill. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2020, 2:29 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is very close to what I was going to propose, except I intended to > say something snarky like: We *already* do nomothetic studies of dreams. > The results of which are gathered and used in sleep labs all over the > country. > > But it sounds like y'all are talking about doing a nomothetic study of > what people *say*, not what they dream. When someone talks about the > content of their dreams, can you trust them to tell the truth? ... to know > the truth? I'd argue, no. They're making up a *story* about what they just > experienced. > > The same is true about, say, self-reporting alcohol consumption ... or > whether or not you'd help a person in an argument with an abusive spouse. > Narrative is untrustworthy. > > On 5/19/20 1:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I settled on soliciting from my colleagues around the country as > variable a set of song samples and then published on what was true of all > of them. The extremes of that sample also gave us grounds to say what a > mockingbird “could” do. I suppose this was “nomothetic” research, but it > also had an idiographic taint. > > > > Could this sort approach be used with dreaming? > > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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