Nick, You said — "I don't think anybody who was familiar with eye movements would ever take a wink for a blink."
I can quickly think of hundreds of examples of this not being true. One, I watched a man lose a lot of money in a poker game because he misinterpreted a blink (sans signal content) as if it were a wink (with signal content), thinking that the spasm of the eyelid was a "tell" a kind of "winking to one's inner self." But the interesting problem is with winks that are winks. How can you tell, absent context and cultural experience, if the wink were 'sincere', 'conspiritorial', 'seductive', 'parody', 'meta-parody', 'meta-anti-wink', etc. davew On Sat, May 16, 2020, at 11:29 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi, David, > > While I have great admiration for Ryle, and use his notion of levels of > action gratefully, I think he and Geertz are just dead wrong here in their > premise. I don't think anybody who was familiar with eye movements would ever > take a wink for a blink. But the basic point is still right: a wink implies > higher level of organization that a wink and a fake wink implies a higher > level of organization still. Or, I think, Geertz would call it "deeper". "A > deeper description". > > Now on to ethology. As usual, I am going to punish your interest with an > article. Here you get the entire history of ethology > <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281346463_Ethology_and_the_birth_of_comparative_teleonomy>, > is capsulated in three laws -- about 10 pages or so. Not a bad a bargain, > eh? In fact, if you just read from section 4.0 on, you will get the examples, > which contain most of the impact. They are very like the turkey/polcat > example that you provide, one I had never heard before! Perfect! > > Please see larding below. > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 10:38 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FRIAM] Behavior?? > > Glen made a comment, "humans don't have intention when they wink > sarcastically." This triggered a memory of Clifford Geertz channeling Gilbert > Ryle. Just before seeing Glen's comment I was reading a book on Influence and > encountered some ethology and together they prompted a whole series of > questions about behavior. > > First a quote from Geertz/Ryle > > "Consider two boys rapidly contracting the eyelids of their right eyes. In > one, this is an involuntary twitch; in the other, a conspiritorial signal to > a friend. The two movements are, as movements, identical; from an > I-am-a-camera, "phenomenalistic" observation of them alone, one could not > tell which was twitch and which was wink ... Yet the difference, however > unphotographical, is vast. ... the winker is communicating ... 1) > deliberately, 2) to someone in particular, 3) to impart a particular message, > 4) according to a socially established code, and 5) without the cognizance of > the rest of the company. That however is just the beginning. Suppose a third > boy winks in an amateurish, clumsy, and obvious manner — he is parodying the > wink ... not conspiracy, but ridicule is in the air. Complexities are > possible, if not practically without end, at least logically so." > > Then the ethology material > > "Turkey mothers are good mothers—loving, watchful and protective. Virtually > all of this mothering is triggered by one thing: the "cheep-cheep" sound of > young turkey chicks. For a mother turkey the polecat is a natural enemy whose > approach is to be greeted with squawking, pecking, clawing rage. If a stuffed > model of a polecat is drawn by string to a mother turkey it evokes the > appropriate offensive behavior, but if the same model has a hidden tape > recorder that emits the "cheep-cheep" sound the mother not only accepts the > oncoming polecat, but gathers it beneath her. > > This kind of "fixed action pattern" can involve intricate sequences of > behavior, such as entire courtship or mating rituals. (see attachement). The > interesting aspect of this is how the sequences are activated — with a > "trigger feature;" e.g. a particular shade of red or blue chest feathers, but > not a perfect replica of a rival bird absent colored chest feathers. > > Then my questions. > > 1- Is a "behavior" always a movement plus an X-factor? > 1A. is the X-factor other nuances of movement, e.g. rippling eyelashes on > the contracted eyelid? > 1B. is the X-factor an intentional signal? or is it "meaning." is intention > required? > > 2- Is behavior compositional? e.g. squawking, pecking, clawing behavioral > "atoms" compose to an anti-polecat behavioral composition? (thinking of some > kind of analog with atom --> molecule --> cell -- organism) > > 3- If meaning | signalling | intention is a required aspect of behavior, from > whence it cometh? > > 4- is "behaviorism" necessarily a subset of semiology? > > 5- If behavior is compositional, are there rules or regularities of > composition? > > 6- Can culture be seen as a collection of allowable patterns of composed > behaviors? > > 7- Is it necessary to have a well developed discipline of what is observed > outside the black box before attempting to infer what is within and whatever > that might be, its relation to what is observed outside? > > davew > > -- --- .-. .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... > ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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