I, Nick, am using the word, "metaphor", (or the dimension, "Metaphor-Model") because it implies to me, Nick, a procedure for ultimately disambiguating and confirming/disconfiming the commitments that our words imply. I am trying to entice (seduce?) you, other friam members, into helping me develop such a procedure because I am too stupid to figure it out all by myself. I would love to participate in disambiguating other related words, such as map, representation, etc. I think ANY conversation that helps reveal the practicial consequences of our word choices, helps us move forward together.
It is not clear to me that "moving forward together" is a widely shared goal. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:48 AM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games Argh! You people! >8^D On 5/28/20 8:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I would claim (and maybe this was your intent) that your (Frank) apprehension > contradicts Glen's partially... as I think HE puts "Strawman" up as > something contrived to be weak so as to be easy to knock down and used as a > proxy for your adversary's *real* position. I think my apprehension has > your element of /reductio ad absurdum/ in it, in that said "Strawman > Argument" is contrived to be so absurd that nobody in the conversation would > take as anything *but* a placeholder to form a real construction to replace > it with. Or as I said, having only the barest hint of the shape of the > evolving argument to be a bit of an armature for a more proper construction. That the class defined defined here has multiple members, that can be mapped one to the other -- i.e. metaphors for each other, does not imply that "metaphor" is a good way to talk about the relationships between those members of that class. Of course! Of course you, SteveS, can define a class that contains both my referent of "strawman" and Frank's referent of "strawman" into the same class. And of course you can then distinguish between the 2 referents. (cf the discussion Jon started re: intensional vs. extensional) But none of this ability to re-comprehend, rebundle referents *requires* the use of the word "metaphor". That you guys loooovvvvveeeee that string of characters, m e t a p h o r, is just plain weird. Nowhere else do people use that string so often, to mean so much. I feel like I'm talking to fundamentalist Christians where every other sentence is punctuated with Praise Jesus! Hey Steve! Praise Jesus! Where do you want to eat lunch? That's a metaphor! You're right! And that's a metaphor! Praise Jesus! We need to create a website, with some mysterious sounding voice actor and some really inspirational (or creepy) images and video clips ... videos that you can't pause or get by until you've watched the whole thing. Then Bam! We sell you a Secrets to the Universe book ... or some magic itch cream. Everything's a metaphor! Please choose a different word once in awhile... "mapping", "analogy", ... something, anything. Then maybe once in awhile distinguish why you used "mapping" in this case and "metaphor" in that case, "analogy" in this case and "mapping" in that case. Then and only then, will I begin to understand whatever religious concept it is you guys worship. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
