Glen, I will be the first to admit that constantly in danger of drowning in this flood, and may, therefore, be grasping at anything I see floating near me. I regret that the discussion's between you, Jon, and EricS are often -- usually -- utterly lost on me -- I experience that as a lost opportunity.
I thought, however, that I did understand, endorse, and even adopt to some degree your meaning of "inside" and even think up my own example of it -- the case where the numerals in a colorblindness chart are different for different observers but "in" the chart for both of them. I do believe that that is NOT what Frank, and Bruce, and others mean by inside, so, while it may me to communicate with you, it does not help me to communicate with them. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:05 AM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games But, again, I don't believe you. I believe you are NOT interested in the practical consequences of using the string "strawman" when discussing my rendition of the EricC/Nick principle. The reason I don't believe you is because you do NOT talk about the topic in which the string "strawman" was used. You *only* talk about the ambiguity in the string "strawman". If you did as Steve did and spent a tiny amount of pixels on the ambiguity around the string "strawman", but the majority of your pixels around the actual topic at hand, then I'd believe you were interested in the practical consequences of using "strawman" in that context. Hell, I'd even be happy if you outright accused me of creating a strawman and then explained (kinda like Steve did) why the ambiguity of "strawman" demonstrates that I've created a strawman. On 5/28/20 9:38 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I think ANY conversation that helps reveal the practicial consequences of our > word choices, helps us move forward together. > > It is not clear to me that "moving forward together" is a widely shared goal. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
