On one of my first trips to the Bay Area I remember driving up telegraph? into Berzerkley and saw a "Bank of America" sign that had been very artfully re-designed to say "Bank of Apartheid"
I've a good friend in Berk who said tonight that he was expecting the grey haired hippies and beats to "March on Peets" at sunrise. He's still mostly pepper with a little salt, and post-boomer himself. > Piedmont, for example, has a higher per capita income than Beverly Hills. > > On the other hand if one wants to drag a newspaper dispenser into the > street and use it as a shield from rubber bullets, that’s an option > too. Oakland has got it all! > > > > I mentioned this hackery. Fun. > > > > https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/09/09/whos-been-hacking-digital-traffic-signs-in-berkeley > > > > I saw someone on MSNBC tonight dreading the “global anarchists”. > Seriously? > > > > *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Smith > <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > *Date: *Friday, May 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM > *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games > > > > I think I just saw Marcus blocking 880 in Oakland! > > Nick, for the record, and this will not change from my end: > > > > Your right to be interested in whatever you are interested in is > sacrosanct, here or in any other forum. I don’t think there are > thread boundaries on that, though there are all the normal > courtesies which I see more clearly for a while after I transgress > one. > > > > Eric > > > > > > On May 30, 2020, at 1:03 PM, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > All – > > > > I feel norm formation going on here, and it is making me a bit > nervous. I am not sure what follows from that, but there it > is. I thing that we at FriAM have long worked the boundary > between work and play. I think that’s where the best work is > done. > > > > But this is my thread, right? Can a man bust his own > thread? */_I d o n t t h I n k s o_/*. I want to talk > about metaphor. And it’s relation to models. And it’ > relation to the concept of intentionality. The question is, > To what extent do our norms allow me to bring those concerns > to other threads. And the answer I am hearing from many of > you is, “Less than I have been”. > > > > Well, I will do my best. But, for instance, I think the > “work” we did on “strawman” was tremendously important. In my > introductory graduate lectures at Berkeley, where, one by one, > the the grey-backed gorillas of the department laid down the > law. Somebody, I think David Krech, announced that if “I say > that the number of rat turds left by a rat in an open field > maze is “anxiety”, then that is what anxiety IS for the > purposes of my research, and there’s no more discussion to be > had.” And even in the tenuous position of a first year > graduate student I knew that was wrong. Meanings have > momentum. Words have meaning that is independent of their > users. I have fought for 50 years to rescue ‘teleonomy’ > (=natural design) from the dualistic thieves that abducted > it. And SteveG and I could be thought of as battling for nigh > a decade and half about which specification of the metaphor of > natural selection is best for the purposes of understanding > natural design. (I thought we made a lot of progress on that > issue today.) Much of what we do in scientific discourse is > fight over metaphors and we need to develop methods for > fighting fairly, skillfully, and expeditiously. > > > > I don’t think I have EVER introduced the idea of metaphor in a > conversation where I didn’t think a clarification or > specification of the metaphors implicit in our conversation > might move the discussion forward. I may be playing with > words but I am not /just/ playing with words. God knows, I > may have been WRONG in many cases, but I absolutely defend the > idea that attention to the metaphors at play in a conversation > is often essential to any development of understanding or > convergence of opinion. > > > > Is it /always?/ No. Of course not. And I will try to be > more careful about that. > > > > Thanks, as always, for all your thoughts. My life would not > be half of what it is without them. Really. It’s perhaps > pathetic for me to admit that, but it’s true. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *David Eric > Smith > *Sent:* Friday, May 29, 2020 9:11 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: > privacy games > > > > Hi Jon, > > > > No, actually not any issue with any of what you had posted, as > also just affirmation toward various historical posts by Glen. > > > > Yes, sorry about a thread-rudeness. I had sort of dropped a > chunk of something that had been accumulating for a week in > the middle of your thread which was in the coarse of solving > other problems, where it didn’t belong. Partly this was > because yours had been the latest snapshot, partly it was > because the overall frame you and Glen and Steve are building > is one that I would like to think of my own additions as > finding a place in, and partly I was probably using the > measured tone of this sub-thread as cover, since my own was > rather crabby and aggressive. Strange that it seemed formally > impolite to me, to use your thread as a point of departure and > not direct the salutation to you, while I blew past the fact > that it was substantively rude to use the thread, rather than > to participate in it. > > > > Very good. Thanks for calling me on this, > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Jon Zingale > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > I am not sure that I disagree with you anywhere, but I am > > unsure whether you are taking issue with me? The proliferation > > of threads are sometimes hard for me to follow, inevitably > I mis- > > determine who is talking to whom. Are there places in my > writing > > that you would suggest I revisit and reconsider? 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