Thanks, Marcus. Exactly the project I thought we were engaged in. I still do no grasp Glen's rendition but I have yet to re-find the post in which he lays it out amongst the splatter.
N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:03 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response The point is to construct some explanation for how the concept of free will could possibly be meaningful by considering a range of commitments in turn (and then revoking them and trying something else until something works). I can't see there are any commitments that make the idea meaningful. Nonetheless, our legal system includes notions like intent and punishment like they are meaningful, and not just another social apparatus forced on non-believers by believers. Free will is a problem for believers in an omniscient god, because it gives and requires individuals to have the means to sin and the means to avoid sinning. But with that freedom, god is no longer omniscient. On 6/17/20, 7:34 AM, "Friam on behalf of Jon Zingale" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: The preoccupation with arguing over base ontological commitments reminds me of the *existential detectives* and their nemesis in the movie *I <3 Huckabees*. Will demanding that the universe is determined, or almost as random as can be, or simulatable move any other conjectured model forward? I suspect that it has the effect of putting the discussion in a holding pattern. In each case, we are making unknown claims as to what the universe is, or at best wagering as to what we feel the universe will have turned out to be in some obnoxiously absolute way. Neutered from a motivating investigation and the development of a model, we may as well exclaim the names of numbers at one another. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
