Frank - I see your case for the Constitution-as-superego. I guess I was thinking more in the social-cultural sense than the political. When we were a predominantly religious (e.g. Christian) culture, perhaps it was the various "Good Books" and the church leadership(s)... Priests/Pastors/Rabbis/Imams and such?
In spite of *many* giving lip service both to Constitution and Good Books and 10point Tablets, and Golden Rules, it feels like the true operating principles are at least similarly NeoDarwinism (of which I think Stephen and Dave have both spoken against) and NeoLIberalism (which many speak against, notably Glen here I think) and . But these are more like abstractions and institutions rather than dynamic-coherence-maintaining processes which is how I apprehend the id, ego, superego to be? While the Constitution is nominally a "living document" (with amendments allowed)... the Good Book(s) are generally not allowed to be revised (albeit continued revelations seem to be common such as via Joseph Smith, David Karesh, a multitude of Yogis, etc.) I suppose that in some sense these artifacts encode/reflect the superego, I'm maybe looking for something more "organic". Any current existing *governing body* would seem to be a somewhat more mutable super-ego, and the pop-culture "equivalent" might be what? - Steve > p.s. do a Google search of "superego", Steve. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego. > It's interesting that Trump resents the ways in which it > constrains him. He tries to get around it with surprising success > thanks to sycophants like Barr et al. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:04 PM Steve Smith <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Frank - >> And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have >> base impulses for which we fear we might be shamed. >> >> And that includes everyone. But then most of us have >> superegos that constrain us. Trump less so. > > Ah, but HIS is a SuperDuperEgo... just ask him, he'll tell ya! > > I don't know what your stake (or dog in the fight or ... pick > a metaphor) is regarding collective > consciousness/awareness/intelligence/wisdom/action in the > abstract but it seems your background would support having an > opinion or more to the point a thought-through-thought or two > on the topic. > > If there are suitable parallels between individual > consciousness and collective versions of it, what would be the > superego of a culture, people, nation-state, etc.? > > - Steve > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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