Once one practices modulating a class of these feelings it changes how or even 
if one experiences them.    Having empathy can just be another form of being 
reactive which is not a good way for adults to be IMO.  It is equally reactive 
to be enraged every time Trump or Trumpers are on TV.    They dehumanized 
themselves.

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Glen,



I don't think of empathy as something that you gin up; it either happens to 
you, or it doesn't.  And then you decide what you want to do with your empathy. 
 As a child, perhaps,, did you ever read any of Ernest Thompson Seton's (no 
relative) Lives of the Hunted?  The wolf, terror of the Corrumpaw (?), wily 
killer of sheep, evader of traps, lies before you in a cage, wounded and 
helpless.  You feel empathy.  And so you kill it.  Anybody who tells you that 
you should feel empathy lacks empathy for your lack of empathy.  I WILL feel 
empathy for Trump when he's tried.   I dread those trials.  In fact, even 
watching him twist and lie and twist and lie, watching him contort, makes me 
queasy inside, like  watching a man tortured.  But empathy, like rage, is just 
another emotion, and needs, like all emotions, to be tempered with reason.



Nick



Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/







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A collection of people, who shall remain nameless, recently tried to shame me 
for objecting to their waste of empathy for poor lil ol Trump, in light of his 
infection. One argument went something like "His father was horrible." One 
primary argument went something like "empathy begets empathy". Empathy is not 
zero-sum. Etc.



I started my objection to all this Trump-as-a-victim talk by listing several 
aspects of his CHARMED LIFE, like the fact that he's lucky enough to have lived 
to a ripe old age (when so many of us die young), he was born wealthy (when so 
many of us live our entire lives dirt poor), his stupid TV show was wildly 
successful (when so many of us are serial failures), his weaponized 
litigousness has benefited him throughout his life (when so many of us can't 
even afford a lawyer). Etc.



All that *privilege* has been bestowed upon him. And it seems, to me, he's 
squandered it all. He reminds me of those pitiful pictures of Saddam Hussein in 
court and then prison and then dead. Oh boo-hoo, poor little dictator being 
mistreated. Such sentiments are not merely weird to me. If game theory and the 
success of simplistic tit-for-tat has taught us anything, it is that the 
algorithmic *depth* required to beat straightforward (poetic) "justice" is 
academically interesting, but pragmatically degenerate.



So, no. I will not waste any of my finite lifetime feeling sorry for poor lil 
ol Trump, our Privilege Squanderer in Chief. If that magically limits my 
ability to empathize in some other context, so be it. If it implies that when I 
die pathetically, under some bridge, eating partial hamburgers from the Wendy's 
dumpster, my colleagues *rightly* avoid wasting their finite lifetimes feeling 
sorry for me, then I'm ready for that day. Like it or not, tu quoque is a 
fallacy.



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