Marcus - I like your image of an "anger field" and in fact the interpenetration of two (or many really, but identifiably two) anger-fields operating in many ways like an estuary... I lived a great deal of my life in a cultural estuary and feel that I have benefited significantly from the complex gradients I've been left to swim in. It makes me want to update John Wesley Powell's ideas of "thinking like a watershed" to "being like an estuary".
I also find the abstraction of stigmergy to apply... MAGA Hats and Diesel Dually Pickups (with Truck Nuts and tuned to "Roll Coal" on demand) are just a couple of the residuals laid down. Of course, 72M people (or a big subset of them) see things like haute couture labeled clothing (Louise Vuitton or REI), COVID masks, and hybrid or electric cars to be the same. I dunno if this kind of framing/analysis helps anyone (even me), except maybe soothing/distracting my Id from it's constant cage (or sabre?) rattling.. - Steve > I have to say more than once in my life I have attempted to perform > deconstruction of an anger state and made the subject more angry. I > suspect this procedure would result in a similar outcome for about 74 million > other potential subjects. "I am angry and you better not step in my anger > field!" "Why do you insensitively ignore my anger field?!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery > > I was being my own example of the topic... uttering offended/offensive words > without any particular meaning or target... <sorry if I offended you.. <grin>> > > On 12/8/20 9:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> What offends you? That I would point it is ridiculous (more so than >> offensive) to use the occasion of unease resulting from a viral infection to >> make a point about whether Consciousness exists? I just think it is sad >> that Frank and Nick can't resolve this, because they've apparently been >> working on it so long. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery >> >> That sh*t really offends me and I wish you would cut it the h*ell out! >> <whimper> >> >> On 12/8/20 9:20 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: >>> Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your words, >>> for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how abusers will >>> say something abhorrent, then act all surprised when victims take offense. >>> The abuser often takes the stance that they were simply joking and the >>> snowflake should grow a thicker skin. I'm as guilty as the rest. >>> >>> On 12/8/20 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of meaning, >>>> and so more absurd than abusive. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery >>>> >>>> It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect on >>>> possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* that >>>> the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often *rightly* >>>> identify the habit as abusive. >>>> >>>> On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>>>> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am >>>>> hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the >>>>> hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us >>>>> over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit. >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn >> GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn >> GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
