Depending on where one sits in a company, one be more motivated by stock 
options or by salary.   Those that don't have golden handcuffs seem more likely 
to me to walk if the decisions the company takes are not considered to be good 
ones by those employees.   Not only will they take their skill, but they have 
competitive information in their heads that will walk with them.   It is a risk 
for the company leaders to consider.   It won't necessarily be effective, just 
like boycotts aren't necessarily effective.   I imagine a lot of risk here was 
the potential for boycotts or to mitigate heavy-handed regulation from 
Democratic legislation.

Do I want these selfish organizations to rule in place of democracy?   No but 
democracy is only one of the principles among many that I care about.   Who do 
I expect to act more rationally, Twitter or a random collection of Trumpers?   
People associate with organizations like AARP or the NRA to have their 
interests advanced too.

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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jon zingale
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

That is true, though not free of further consideration. Eric's steelman 
highlights a tight coupling between individual and society, tight enough that 
actions on the *negative space*[1] of society are effective actions induced on 
the individual. Similar arguments arise when we talk about lowering one's 
individual carbon footprint by not driving. Extensionally, this is fine but 
ignores the fact that computational difference amounts to much more than 
*convenience* in practice[2]. Not driving is self-gimping and only makes it 
harder to influence the necessary change.

That said and in further response to Barry, to treat Trump as a felon (which he 
likely ought be) and to exact this judgment through indirect means sets a 
dangerous precedent by ignoring type. However, maybe this is what we want our 
society to be like? I think I must be ok with the idea that it is *mobsters all 
the way down*, but again, I keep hearing idealistic talk of ethics on this 
server.

[1] To pull in jargon another current Friam topic:
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/a-more-focused-and-actionable-set-of-articles-of-impeachment-Sedition-vs-Insurrection-td7600137i20.html#a7600227

[2] Apologies if I am x-splaining. Your posts make it very clear that you think 
a lot about computation.



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