Marcus wrote: > > I once wrote an agent model of some of my colleagues. It was a minor > catharsis. If I were to write one for agents that have first names > that start with the letter “S”, I’d have a predicate that waited for a > long thread to evolve, and then summarized them with a few tangential > snarkier-than-thou remarks. It would be a better accomplishment to > learn the deterministic agent behavior with a hidden markov model, > maybe. Authorship comes with the ability to embellish, which is maybe > one appeal of ABMs. >
So... "snarkier than thou" isn't the FriAM objective function? I'm sure I get a double-dose from having both first and last name beginning with 'S'. I should probably try reading with a different lens... To be fair (to me, because, who else?) I wrote that one much earlier in the thread than it appeared. I am fairly busy on Fridays which is one of the reasons I don't weigh in often on vFriam... but whilst in the spirit of April 1, I couldn't help misreading the original subject line. I might have taken the extra moment to trace the whole thread that followed, but I suppose I imagined everyone likely to weigh in on the thread was on vFriam beating the horse of free will with their gumflaps rather than their touchtyping. My bad. I *will* claim the title "more tangential than though" and maybe even "TL;DR-er than though", and as evidenced here "more self-explanatory than though". Your ABMs could be rather revealing and perhaps therefore entertaining... > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic > > > > Dave West wrote: > > Pieter quoted: /"the brain is a physical system like any other, > and we have no more will to operate it in a particular way than we > will our heart to beat"./ > > > > *But we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart to beat in a > particular way.* > > > > Not only that, we (at least some individuals in the world) can > control pretty much every aspect of our "autonomous nervous > system." I learned how to generate alpha waves in my brain while > awake and talking. Researchers recently conducted cogent > conversations with individuals in the middle of lucid dreams. Then > there is all the "bio-feedback" data and practices. Hundreds of > similar examples could be cited. > > > > Just because we don't, as a general rule, does not mean we cannot. > > > > Not saying anything in this post is an argument for free will — > just that the quoted argument against free will is fatally flawed. > > nahhh... it just looks like you (and the Swamis) can modify your > autonomic functions and your brain waves... the fact is, given who > you/they are in those circumstances, you *had* to, you couldn't have > chosen to do otherwise! In fact you can't help but *believe* you had > free will and exercised it, just like *I* who am sure you *don't* have > free will have no choice but to believe *that*. Anything else is > *inconceivable* ! (/"there's that word again"/ -Inigio Martinez) > > Or at least *that* is what I choose to believe today. I wonder if I > will have a choice about what I feel about all this today? Or after > some more limp-noodle-beatings of the topic here? > > Arg, > > - Smarg > > PS... Don't free Willy in the Atlantic, his entire pod is in the > Pacific. Was that a Trump-administration rule, that unaccompanied > minor Orcas stuck in Seaworld can only be released in an ocean other > than that of their origin! Happy onecet of April! > > > > davewest > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > > From a strict scientific perspective I accept that we don't > have free will. I don't argue that we have free will. I > accept, and I quote from the article quoted above: > > "the brain is a physical system like any other, and we have no > more will to operate it in a particular way than we will our > heart to beat". But... > > > > From how humans perceive our own actions, I assert that we do > have free will of "some sorts''. Similar to some computer > programs that also have free will of "some sorts". We all > agree that AlphGo who beat Lee Sedol in Go does not have free > will, it did exactly what the computer code instructed it to > do, but it came up with creative play that the human > programmers did not even know about. This is in my view also > "some sorts" of free will. > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 14:15, Jochen Fromm <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Was it only 150 years ago when Charles Darwin first > published 'On the Origin of Species' ? It feels longer. > Interesting story from Stephen Cave > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/ > > <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/> > > > > -J. > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > > un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > > > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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