The fable of the little red hen is unknown here in Germany, but everyone knows
the fairy tales of the brothers Grimm. There is a fairy tale named "Mother
Hulda" (Frau Holle) which is a parable that hard work is rewarded and laziness
is punished. These fairy tales are similar to the parables in the Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle-J.
-------- Original message --------From: [email protected] Date: 4/4/21
05:32 (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic Marcus hath
wroth: I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of FRIAM. Nick doth reply:
Well, I have already gotten two publications out of writing to this list (in
part). It’s a case of little red hen syndrome. Or perhaps the reverse: you all
helped me and I still I ate all the bread. Nick Nick
[email protected]https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From:
Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marcus DanielsSent: Saturday,
April 3, 2021 11:33 AMTo: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<[email protected]>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic Part of the
model would involve finding seasonality like that. A difficult part would be
building the NLP capability to generate plausible sentences from each agent
type. However, there’s a big archive to draw upon if one were to take a
statistical inference approach. General dispositions would be pretty easy, I
think. At least they are obvious to me. Also noteworthy is that there are
classes of subconversations that I think just has to do with demographics. For
example, remember the late XYZ. I know Nick once dreamed of publications out of
FRIAM. I wonder if he’d settle for a finite state machine? If it all worked
out, though, I’d have to find a replacement procrastination activity. From:
Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve SmithSent: Saturday, April
3, 2021 9:23 AMTo: [email protected]: Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the
Atlantic Marcus wrote:I once wrote an agent model of some of my colleagues.
It was a minor catharsis. If I were to write one for agents that have first
names that start with the letter “S”, I’d have a predicate that waited for a
long thread to evolve, and then summarized them with a few tangential
snarkier-than-thou remarks. It would be a better accomplishment to learn the
deterministic agent behavior with a hidden markov model, maybe. Authorship
comes with the ability to embellish, which is maybe one appeal of ABMs. So...
"snarkier than thou" isn't the FriAM objective function? I'm sure I get a
double-dose from having both first and last name beginning with 'S'. I should
probably try reading with a different lens... To be fair (to me, because, who
else?) I wrote that one much earlier in the thread than it appeared. I am
fairly busy on Fridays which is one of the reasons I don't weigh in often on
vFriam... but whilst in the spirit of April 1, I couldn't help misreading the
original subject line. I might have taken the extra moment to trace the whole
thread that followed, but I suppose I imagined everyone likely to weigh in on
the thread was on vFriam beating the horse of free will with their gumflaps
rather than their touchtyping. My bad.I *will* claim the title "more
tangential than though" and maybe even "TL;DR-er than though", and as evidenced
here "more self-explanatory than though".Your ABMs could be rather revealing
and perhaps therefore entertaining... From: Friam <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Steve SmithSent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 PMTo:
[email protected]: Re: [FRIAM] Free Willy in the Atlantic Dave West
wrote:Pieter quoted: "the brain is a physical system like any other, and we
have no more will to operate it in a particular way than we will our heart to
beat". But we do have the ability, and can "will" our heart to beat in a
particular way. Not only that, we (at least some individuals in the world) can
control pretty much every aspect of our "autonomous nervous system." I learned
how to generate alpha waves in my brain while awake and talking. Researchers
recently conducted cogent conversations with individuals in the middle of lucid
dreams. Then there is all the "bio-feedback" data and practices. Hundreds of
similar examples could be cited. Just because we don't, as a general rule, does
not mean we cannot. Not saying anything in this post is an argument for free
will — just that the quoted argument against free will is fatally
flawed.nahhh... it just looks like you (and the Swamis) can modify your
autonomic functions and your brain waves... the fact is, given who you/they
are in those circumstances, you *had* to, you couldn't have chosen to do
otherwise! In fact you can't help but *believe* you had free will and
exercised it, just like *I* who am sure you *don't* have free will have no
choice but to believe *that*. Anything else is *inconceivable* ! ("there's
that word again" -Inigio Martinez)Or at least *that* is what I choose to
believe today. I wonder if I will have a choice about what I feel about all
this today? Or after some more limp-noodle-beatings of the topic here? Arg, -
SmargPS... Don't free Willy in the Atlantic, his entire pod is in the Pacific.
Was that a Trump-administration rule, that unaccompanied minor Orcas stuck in
Seaworld can only be released in an ocean other than that of their origin!
Happy onecet of April! davewest On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Pieter
Steenekamp wrote:From a strict scientific perspective I accept that we don't
have free will. I don't argue that we have free will. I accept, and I quote
from the article quoted above:"the brain is a physical system like any other,
and we have no more will to operate it in a particular way than we will our
heart to beat". But... From how humans perceive our own actions, I assert that
we do have free will of "some sorts''. Similar to some computer programs that
also have free will of "some sorts". We all agree that AlphGo who beat Lee
Sedol in Go does not have free will, it did exactly what the computer code
instructed it to do, but it came up with creative play that the human
programmers did not even know about. This is in my view also "some sorts" of
free will. On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 14:15, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]>
wrote:Was it only 150 years ago when Charles Darwin first published 'On the
Origin of Species' ? It feels longer. Interesting story from Stephen
Cavehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/
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