Well we can *imagine *both. Problem is actually getting either one. On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:05 PM Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's hard to imagine UBI in the United States, when you (we, before I > left) can't even get a universal health care system. > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 6:47 PM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> We have a globe getting pimp slapped by a virus. People getting shit >> canned for no other reason than breathing. WAstate and one other was/is >> back to full lockdown, Canada still is. >> The question isn't reely is UBI a good/bad idea but how fucking fast do >> we make it happen? and for how much. I'd submit that a UBI musti be at 70k >> a year min, and tied to the trust costs of living and inflation. That's 30 >> an hour and the low end of 'upper middle clast' from the 80s. Plus a bit >> for savings and fun. >> >> Probably should be pegged at the true costs of living for the most >> expensive place in the US to live, for a house hold of 3. So that a lot of >> people are covered. Because as is how many people are paycheck to paycheck >> for no other reason than luck? a lot. between lobyests, a fucking toxic why >> should we mediacrity penny ante mentality min wage was and is still >> contorted to the least we can legall get away with. We call that >> wage-slavery. So good chance that someone who gets a 5k a month check >> would then be able to pay off debts. Invest in some stocks and themselves. >> IMO that sounds fucking amazing to me. >> San Franciscos costs of living, true costs of living waaay the F back in >> the 90s was 80k a year. it's now about 200k. As reported by any source >> thats reputable, and yet wages their haven't gone up more than 9.75-12 an >> hour. A single room BRM appartment their at 15% bellow average market rate >> can easily average 2k a month. >> As it is now a single person just would not be able to afford that. >> Ergo UBI would keep them housed. >> >> Some massively large percent of the 30+ generation right now can't even >> save,, have to work 2+ jobs. Go make conversation with anyone at Smiths. a >> lot of those people have to work 3 jobs. Why should UBI be a question? the >> reel question must be not if, but when, and how much. >> >> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 5:27 PM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The simplest case for a UBI is current and past pandemics. Simply put >>> that for some asinine reason our sense of maslow's hierarchy of needs has >>> gone tits up fucked. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 5:23 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A couple of facts that relate to some of the points raised. >>>> >>>> I was following a car that had a bumper sticker that said, "Eat the >>>> Rich". >>>> >>>> A man paid $50 million for a penthouse (5 story) in Manhattan. He >>>> committed suicide when he couldn't sell it for $35 million. His wife >>>> wanted to live where she could have horses. If anyone cares i can tell you >>>> who he was. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>> >>>> 505 670-9918 >>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:42 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, I agree. But as the miscommunication about the dimension of >>>>> simplices vs. orthogonal dimensionality seems to indicate, reduction need >>>>> not imply linearity, and if reduction is used iteratively to discover >>>>> interestingness, that provenance/method/algorithm need not be lost (1st >>>>> order Markovian). A practical example might be >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_pursuit >>>>> >>>>> Like abstraction <-> concretization, there's de-objectification that's >>>>> part of a complete skill set. Competent objectifiers retain enough history >>>>> to at least approximate the starting point. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/4/21 1:37 PM, jon zingale wrote: >>>>> > """ >>>>> > Reduction is a triumph if it captures what you're looking for. >>>>> > """ >>>>> > >>>>> > When reductions capture what one is looking for then the resulting >>>>> > categories >>>>> > make for powerful rhetoric. IMO, it is exactly that reductions to >>>>> crisp >>>>> > objects >>>>> > capture what *some* want, while obfuscating the desired objects of >>>>> others, >>>>> > that >>>>> > makes the whole reduction-objectification game so insidious in >>>>> practice (a >>>>> > kind >>>>> > of conceptual imperialism?). Sometimes objects can be presented with >>>>> such >>>>> > clarity >>>>> > and precision that it becomes difficult to imagine any others, to >>>>> dislodge >>>>> > unproductive beliefs or practices, or to remember that the objects >>>>> are >>>>> > fantastic >>>>> > shorthands. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ >>>>> >>>>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>>> >>>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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