A deep dive into the theory of reincarnation, Vedic version, reveals that the individual IS " simply a node in a system of interacting forces." The material aspect of that node, the incarnation, acts as a kind of inertial persistence - the forces repeat, moment to moment' the highly similar body with accompanying mental illusions of self. When the material body decomposes, the forces that gave rise to it do not and, with some degree of probability, give rise to a variant of the same entity at some point in the future. That second 'individual' is, to some statistical degree, the same individual previously incarnated but definitely not a clone — hence re-incarnation.
But ultimately, all are nodes in systems of interacting forces. davew On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, at 4:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > EricS asked: > > > > What am I but an individual? > > > > Could you simply be a unique node in a system of interacting forces? > > > > I have long wanted to write an essay as a psychologist to a meteorology > journal entitled “Should we name storms? > > > > The first part of the essay argues that we shouldn’t name them because > storms, unlike humans, are not proper individuals. Ie the forces that move > them are not the forces that define them. > > > > The second part argues that we should name them because humans are, in fact,, > like storms, each one defined by the particular forces that act upon it. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 5:58 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:41 PM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I was made to take piano lessons for five years. I did minimal practice, > > but still hated it and the idea of it. I can’t do it all now, and don’t > > wish I could. Don’t tell me what is important. I will prioritize what I > > want. > > > > I am imagining I see a through-line here, for several threads. > > > > We take individuality for granted; after all, what else can I be but an > individual? (The Buddhists will get all energized that that view is what is > sending the world to hell.) > > > > But being an individual isn’t easy. One can’t do it passively. One has to > constantly fight off the world’s encroachment to be an individual. Hence > elbowing for space, just to elbow for space, is probably innate. > > > > There is a line, I think somewhere in Bible/Job/ that I have always liked and > used, even though the book as a whole isn’t gripping to me, like something > from an alien species, and could sort-of be about making almost-any point. > It was: > > > > “Why dost thou kick against the pricks?” > > > > I remember I was all in a prowl over getting an idiot-review of a paper, and > in the mood that that puts me in, that I am eager to meet the reviewer with > an A-10. I wandered into the SFI kitchen to encounter Walter Fontana, always > for me a comforting presence that the world would continue to have at least > one interesting person in it, no matter what else happened. I was unloading > on him, because the only time I am funny is when I am really annoyed, and I > don’t want all that to be lost, like Rutger Hauer says, “like tears, in rain” > with nobody to enjoy it. About 2 minutes in, I had Walter laughing out loud, > and the culmination of my relation to reviewers was: > > > > Why dost thou kick against the pricks? Because they piss me off! > > > > But back to the point: do we learn anything about the nature of individuality? > > > > Eric > > > > > That said, a vaccine is passive and takes no attention. > > > > > >> On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:29 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> UK judge orders rightwing extremist to read classic literature or > > >> face prison > > >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.c > > >> om%2fpolitics%2f2021%2fsep%2f01%2fjudge-orders-rightwing-extremist-to > > >> -read-classic-literature-or-face-prison&c=E,1,M9NK9YVSpDUE3ATp1xxsWZ6 > > >> 6fJfv7F41fZ3yhs00aXqlOlf6_8OBrRKThjnj4inZPPTHFPQ7WNCTHfJ5cMMP63OghVQR > > >> 2wAsowx7Pdk58b0,&typo=1 > > >> > > >> I know several liberals who agree with the righties that vaccine and mask > >> mandates are bad, though not for the same reasons. Righties yap about > >> fascism and limits to their "freedom". But the liberals talk about how > >> mandates just push the righties further into their foxholes, preventing > >> collegial conversation. > > >> > > >> So the story above is an interesting situation in similar style. Renee', > >> to this day, hates Shakespeare because she was forced to memorize Romeo > >> and Juliet as a kid. Of course, she doesn't hate Shakespeare, because she > >> hasn't read much Shakespeare. She just *thinks* she hates it because of > >> this "mandate" she suffered under. This court mandated "literature > >> therapy" being imposed on this kid could work, if he can read it > >> sympathetically. But if he can't, if he simply reads it "syntactically", > >> what will he learn? > > >> > > >> BC Smith, in his book "The Promise of AI", channels Steels & Brooks [ψ] in > >> writing: > > >> > > >> "What does all this mean in the case of AIs and computer systems > >> generally? Perhaps at least this: that it is hard to see how synthetic > >> systems could be trained in the ways of judgment except by gradually, > >> incrementally, and systematically enmeshed in normative practices that > >> engage with the world and that involve thick engagement with teachers > >> ('elders'), who can steadily develop and inculcate not just 'moral > >> sensibility' but also intellectual appreciation of intentional commitment > >> to the world." > > >> > > >> If we think of this kid, Ben John, as an AI, what will he learn by > >> mandating he read Dickens? Similarly, what are the mandate protesters > >> learning from our mandates? Stupidity should be painful. And the court's > >> reaction to this kid's stupidity, the pain of reading Pride and Prejudice, > >> should teach that kid something. But which is the more dangerous > >> stupidity? Which stupidity runs the risk of a more catastrophic outcome? > >> Avoiding the vaccine? 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