Both carbon- and silicon-based systems are layered on the same underlying physics. The layering of biochemistry, compilers, etc. are just that, layering.
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:27 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? In computer science we have different levels of abstraction which are bridged by compilers and interpreters. A program in C for example can be compiled by a compiler to run on different machines which have different CPUs and different machine code languages. The personality of a person is similar: a diligent person for instance may have learned in childhood from his parents "I have to work hard so that I may have a better life one day" by hearing it again and again. Different children may have learned the same lesson but they have probably "encoded" it differently. An adaptive robot could be able to learn similar "lessons" - be kind, work hard, etc - if it starts to understand language. Therefore it could develop a kind of personality which is similar to us, although it is implemented differently, without biological matter. -J. -------- Original message -------- From: Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 9/19/21 00:39 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? Oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon, calcium, phosphorus, sulfur, potassium, sodium, chlorine, magnesium, plus some trace elements. On Sep 18, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yeah, stuff. But what kind of stuff are we? While physics tries to examine the most fundamental stuff and elementary particles, psychology has the most interesting types of stuff, if "personality" is the stuff that personal characters are made of. There are countless individual and path-dependent differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving as a person. Then there is the whole subject of consciousness and subjective experience which is interesting too, if we consider it as an accumulated, path dependent point of view. -J. -------- Original message -------- From: Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 9/18/21 22:57 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul? We are just stuff and stuff can be simulated.. on quantum computers if necessary. > On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:45 PM, Jochen Fromm > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > I have watched John Searle videos on YouTube today and stumbled upon the > question of personality again. If we assume that there is a special substance > that makes us a person, can an advanced robot or AI acquire it? Can a robot > be lazy, diligent, dull, intelligent, friendly, nit-picky or even creative? > John Searle would probably say it is not a good question... > https://youtu.be/Bq2bfSzkTfU > > I would say the answer is yes, because if the special substance is simply the > personality or persistent character of a person, there is no reason why a > robot should not be able to learn a bundle of typical behavior patterns (i.e. > special mappings between perceptions and actions) that are characteristic for > a person, even if this behavior is implemented totally differently. The > resulting personality helps to define and maintain the identity of a person > https://youtu.be/WwipmspceOU > > What do you think? Is there a special substance that makes us a person, and > can an advanced robot or AI acquire it? > > -J. > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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