This post actually has to do with newborn heart rate by race Here is a link to the abstract. I'm going to see if I have the full paper in case anyone's interested
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class Frank On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:18 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m with David on this one. Distinguishing between “real” and random > effects is what learning IS. Of course, such judgements are never more > than probably true. > > > > N > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 2:49 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate > > > > David Eric Smith wrote: > > > > *"I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would > fail _any_ test for randomness. I can conceive that maybe there are people > smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel > like to be one of them."* > > > > But . . . . every human being does exactly that, all the time, more or > less effortlessly — certainly below the threshold of "conscious" awareness. > Billions of variables, including certain cell receptors "detecting" and > responding to quantum effects (like changes in spin induced by magnetic > fields). > > > > Some Asian philosophies (Jnana Yoga, Tibetan Tantra) and most of the > Alchemical literature can be read as efforts to "decompile" this ability, > make it conscious, and apply it in "ordinary reality." > > > > davew > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 9:28 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: > > Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has > specifically been said. > > > > I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson > that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds” > > (Fun ref see > https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-little-minds-metadata-stay > ) > > and what Scott Aaronson might call “the blankfaces of consistency”, > > there should be a sort of Herb Simon Watchmaker’s consistency. The > ability to check a form for consistency — even if I am alert that the > system within which I am checking might be subject to overruling or > revision — allows me to get past one thing and go to the next. To clip > together a sub-component of the watch and set it on the shelf, while > assembling other sub-components, or to take the sub-components and assemble > them relative to each other without having to constantly actively maintain > the innards of each. > > > > To somebody with my innate limitations, that seems among the most valuable > things in the world. > > > > DaveW wrote this fabulous paean to never calling anything done, some > months ago. I can’t resurrect the text, and on my best living day could > not compose its equal, but the gist was that sciences in which one arrives > at conclusions are the pastimes of trivial minds. Real Men do > anthropology, where nothing is ever closed. In a lovely rant on what a day > in the life of a Real Man is like, a sentence contained a clause I am > pretty sure I do have verbatim: “ . . . , juggling hundreds of variables, . > . . “. > > > > I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would > fail _any_ test for randomness. I can conceive that maybe there are people > smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel > like to be one of them. > > > > It seems it must be possible in this sense to cling to consistency like a > life-raft, yet not elevate it to aa religious icon. After all, life rafts > only keep you alive, and in the big sweep of things, that isn’t _all_ that > important. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment, though > I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false > beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists." > > > > But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether consistency, > itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is full of graded > [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting from welding, > baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level 3 drafting at > lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the effete > knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty on-the-ground > engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together pieces that don't > quite fit. > > > > In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of digital > computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful tool. > Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's softened a > bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into multiple, yet > still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As approach "the > real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems, to my > ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether that > softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something denser, I > don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form. > > > > Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a limit > point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this nicely. > If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum) and the > "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears entirely), then > a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The focus becomes one > of which frame expresses the target domain "less inconsistently" ... aka > with fewer exceptions to the rule. > > > > Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning. > > > > On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I agree with some of that. I mentioned the dependently typed programming > language as one technology to know when I am being inconsistent. It > doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the inconsistency, but I might > point the headlights in some other direction to avoid the inconsistency > (breadth first search instead of depth first). Inconsistency finding is a > tool, and preferably a semi-automated one. > > > > I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry > about shelter and food and health care. I'm not talented enough to be > among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that > sort of thing. I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I > were. I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant > because everything is irrelevant. I'd like to be a freak among billions > of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks. This is > not the world we live in, though. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate > > > > OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise of > populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted to > depth-first search. > > > > Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you > know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely > criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions > that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know > any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species > while snapping selfies on my iPhone. > > > > But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we > need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the > information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants > to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing > to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps > because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE > somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud > at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in > some Physics department at some elitist institution. > > > > A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping < > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>. > > > > On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was > uncrackable. If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get > hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance. 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