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--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 1:04 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > This post actually has to do with newborn heart rate by race > > Here is a link to the abstract. I'm going to see if I have the full paper > in case anyone's interested > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class > > Frank > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:18 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I’m with David on this one. Distinguishing between “real” and random >> effects is what learning IS. Of course, such judgements are never more >> than probably true. >> >> >> >> N >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 2:49 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate >> >> >> >> David Eric Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> *"I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would >> fail _any_ test for randomness. I can conceive that maybe there are people >> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel >> like to be one of them."* >> >> >> >> But . . . . every human being does exactly that, all the time, more or >> less effortlessly — certainly below the threshold of "conscious" awareness. >> Billions of variables, including certain cell receptors "detecting" and >> responding to quantum effects (like changes in spin induced by magnetic >> fields). >> >> >> >> Some Asian philosophies (Jnana Yoga, Tibetan Tantra) and most of the >> Alchemical literature can be read as efforts to "decompile" this ability, >> make it conscious, and apply it in "ordinary reality." >> >> >> >> davew >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 9:28 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> >> Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has >> specifically been said. >> >> >> >> I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson >> that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds” >> >> (Fun ref see >> https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-little-minds-metadata-stay >> ) >> >> and what Scott Aaronson might call “the blankfaces of consistency”, >> >> there should be a sort of Herb Simon Watchmaker’s consistency. The >> ability to check a form for consistency — even if I am alert that the >> system within which I am checking might be subject to overruling or >> revision — allows me to get past one thing and go to the next. To clip >> together a sub-component of the watch and set it on the shelf, while >> assembling other sub-components, or to take the sub-components and assemble >> them relative to each other without having to constantly actively maintain >> the innards of each. >> >> >> >> To somebody with my innate limitations, that seems among the most >> valuable things in the world. >> >> >> >> DaveW wrote this fabulous paean to never calling anything done, some >> months ago. I can’t resurrect the text, and on my best living day could >> not compose its equal, but the gist was that sciences in which one arrives >> at conclusions are the pastimes of trivial minds. Real Men do >> anthropology, where nothing is ever closed. In a lovely rant on what a day >> in the life of a Real Man is like, a sentence contained a clause I am >> pretty sure I do have verbatim: “ . . . , juggling hundreds of variables, . >> . . “. >> >> >> >> I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would >> fail _any_ test for randomness. I can conceive that maybe there are people >> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel >> like to be one of them. >> >> >> >> It seems it must be possible in this sense to cling to consistency like a >> life-raft, yet not elevate it to aa religious icon. After all, life rafts >> only keep you alive, and in the big sweep of things, that isn’t _all_ that >> important. >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment, though >> I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false >> beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists." >> >> >> >> But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether >> consistency, itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is >> full of graded [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting >> from welding, baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level >> 3 drafting at lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the >> effete knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty >> on-the-ground engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together >> pieces that don't quite fit. >> >> >> >> In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of digital >> computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful tool. >> Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's softened a >> bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into multiple, yet >> still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As approach "the >> real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems, to my >> ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether that >> softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something denser, I >> don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form. >> >> >> >> Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a >> limit point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this >> nicely. If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum) >> and the "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears >> entirely), then a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The >> focus becomes one of which frame expresses the target domain "less >> inconsistently" ... aka with fewer exceptions to the rule. >> >> >> >> Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning. >> >> >> >> On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> I agree with some of that. I mentioned the dependently typed >> programming language as one technology to know when I am being >> inconsistent. It doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the >> inconsistency, but I might point the headlights in some other direction to >> avoid the inconsistency (breadth first search instead of depth first). >> Inconsistency finding is a tool, and preferably a semi-automated one. >> >> >> >> I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry >> about shelter and food and health care. I'm not talented enough to be >> among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that >> sort of thing. I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I >> were. I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant >> because everything is irrelevant. I'd like to be a freak among billions >> of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks. This is >> not the world we live in, though. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ >> >> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate >> >> >> >> OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise >> of populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted >> to depth-first search. >> >> >> >> Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you >> know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely >> criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions >> that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know >> any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species >> while snapping selfies on my iPhone. >> >> >> >> But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we >> need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the >> information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants >> to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing >> to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps >> because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE >> somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud >> at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in >> some Physics department at some elitist institution. >> >> >> >> A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping < >> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>. >> >> >> >> On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was >> uncrackable. If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get >> hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance. 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