*From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
*Sent:* Monday, November 8, 2021 8:43 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] lurking
You would be surprised at what casinos can ban. Maybe even more
surprised at the, not necessarily AI, software tools they use to
analyze video feeds and pounce on any kind of statistically
improbabilities. Most casinos in Vegas have tools, like mandatory side
bets with very low odds, that erase the near equal odds of blackjack.
The only 'safe' gambling is poker where the house has no direct
interest in the outcome.
As DES stated, winning is a matter of patience and losing antes only,
until you get good hand and then skill of playing that hand for
maximum return — playing less worse than the others at the table.
I am living in Vegas now and playing small tournaments fairly regularly.
davew
On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
On 11/7/21 12:02 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
There must be some kind of “Back to the future” movie that can
be made out of this. Doyne Farmer in Vegas all over again,
but with current-era AI in place of toe-operated computers.
Yah! Surely Casinos can't begin to restrict
computers(phones)/earbuds, etc. on the gaming floor.
Strange coincidence that my sister went to Kindergarten with Vance
Packard (Norm's brother) in Silver City long before they all
became eagle scouts and then the Chaos Cabal. We moved away the
next year and I doubt I ever met any of them back then. I came
to LANL just before (I think) Doyne came... I seem to remember
that Norm was there for a summer... and soon came the (in)famous
CA conference... As I remember it the game of interest (aside
from Life, what with Conway in attendance) was GO with a lot of
speculation about the implications of local vs global
"intelligence"... I was intrigued by HashLife and it's
implications for finding structure at many scales... I still hope
for someone with more follow-through than I have to implement a
more redundant but "thorough" space-time decomposition (an N-1xN-1
kernel over the 4 positions at each "zoom" level).
Regarding poker.. I played some low-stakes in college and saw
there were two things to take in: the main technical skill was
to simply play less poorly than the other players at the table and
that was entirely overshadowed by the social-engineering games of
bluffing, etc. The very simple game-theoretic aspect of not
depleting your own stake before you catch a "lucky streak" going
your way was also a good understanding. I played with my "boss"
and a number of peers at the time and realized that it was more
about jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than it was
about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was on the
order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts
wages... a LOT if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood!
I still feel that *technically* playing well really means just
playing less badly. Blackjack being even more obviously so?
Yikes.
On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels
<[email protected]> wrote:
My inclination would be to invest in standoff biometrics
(e.g. Eulerian Video Amplification) and then find the best
poker playing code. It ought to be possible to automate
and perhaps get rich in the process.
*From:*Friam <[email protected]>*On Behalf Of*Eric
Charles
*Sent:*Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:42 AM
*To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] lurking
I DID read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how we
got to one of the starting points: "as cringy as it may be
for some dork to be proud of their Poker prowess"
I am somewhat satisfied with my Poker mediocrity,
certainly not proud of it... but if I met someone who was
ACTUALLY startlingly better than I am, and they were proud
of that, I wouldn't find it cringy. (Ditto in my other
hobbies, like Aikido.)
I guess if I met someone who had a slight edge in their
drunk-buddy home games, and they were super proud of THAT,
then i would find it cringy. (Ditto someone who's the best
Aikido student in their small dojo, but who's obviously
not more than that.)
When I see academic work on game theory, it's usually of
lower quality than what the good poker players are doing
these days. Mastering the game is crazy hard, and being
able to sit down and implement a coherent and winning
strategy for 40-80 hours a week is not easy. So... why
would that be cringe?
On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM Marcus Daniels
<[email protected]> wrote:
Ok, part of the story is knowing what is really needed
for reproducibility as a function of context.
With that, then there's the matter of how much control
is afforded. Is it programmable in predictable ways?
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:20 AM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the virus is
created in the lab, it's done with real stuff
distilled from the soupy world. Given enough of a
difference in context, the robot may not be able to
re-constitute the life because the soupy world
surrounding the robot doesn't have the real stuff
required. Such drastic context changes could be a
result of translation through space or time. E.g.
trying to construct, on Mars, an organism
read/serialized on earth. Or e.g. trying to construct
an organism read millennia ago, millennia in the
future. It's naive to talk about "science" as if any
given read-out formula thereby expressed is
*complete*. Science is abstraction to a large extent
... maybe not as abstracting as math, of course. And
science must remain "open" precisely because any
formula it expresses is suspect, perhaps incomplete.
My favorite example is the magic brewing
stick:https://medievalmeadandbeer.wordpress.com/2019/05/04/scandinavian-yeast-logs-yeast-rings/It
*was* scientific to lay out the magic stick as a
critical element of the brewing process, only to
discover later that the stick isn't the important part.
On 11/2/21 2:39 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Even if that were so, viruses have been pulled from
history or tweaked and created in the lab. So we
have a design specification, and the means to make
it. One could imagine a robot fabricating the
close-to-the-metal machine too. There is a story one
can write down how it is done. If there is no story,
it is not science we are talking about, it is
something else.
--
"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with
a lie."
☤>$ uǝlƃ
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