On 1/25/22 5:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

< It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the others).  His Red/Green/Blue Mars series is a good complement with the social/technological/spiritual implications of Terraforming there. >

Huh.  I found MftF drawn-out and boring with distracting little nonsense chapters interleaved.   I don’t see why it is popular.   A few good ideas here and there but couldn’t care less about the characters.  It could be massively compressed.

That would be *all* of KSR's novels I'm afraid...  my obsession with the ideas (unanticipated problems as well as unanticipated responses) trumps any need I have for being entertained by the characters or even plot.

It really read to me (as you point out) as a series of loosely connected vignettes of specific interest.   To the extent that *some* of the MoTF characters did get under my skin, it was as an irritant as much as anything.   I probably read Red Mars when it was new as my introduction to KSR and did not go back to his writing until as little as 5 years ago when I found his topics more relevant than I had acknowledged before...  He seemed to me to be a lot preachy and I guess now I'm enough of the choir to be able to hum along with his sermons now.

Stephenson also gets very tedious for me, but I find his depth of research and quirkiness of characters and technical surprises worthy of my attention through his gruelingly long and seemingly careening storylines and characters.


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