Sorry. I didn't go to the breeze website. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:05 AM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > How do you compress the air? Any method I can think of uses energy. From > what source? > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 10:57 AM Michael Orshan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi. I'm a reader more than a contributor, but the Hydrogen discussion is >> close to my day to day. >> >> Many of us in renewables think Hydrogen might mostly be kick the can as >> Steve mentioned. It is something that might be economically feasible in >> the 2030s and so the length of time oil companies sell oil increases. >> Having said that, there are a number of very pricey Hydrogen projects >> getting funded. That might be showing how profitable the O&G industry is. >> >> I'm working with a company we call Breeze <http://www.breezesqueeze.com>. >> It uses compressed air in pipelines to move turbines at power plants. >> Without fossil fuels or using water this is getting a lot of attention. >> There are many advantages such as cold air where compressed air is released >> that can be used by data centers. 25% of all GHGs come from generating >> electricity. 45% of all water used in the US is used to create >> electricity. >> >> We see this as a better option than Hydrogen. We do think Hydrogen fuel >> cells are a solution for mobile applications. >> >> Mike Orshan >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 10:27 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2/6/22 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://thebulletin.org/2022/01/whether-green-blue-or-turquoise-hydrogen-needs-to-be-clean-and-cheap/ >>> >>> *Low-cost fossil fuel resources are finite. Someday it will simply >>> not be possible to burn oil, natural gas, and coal for the affordable heat, >>> electricity, and motive power humans need to power their prosperous >>> societies. * >>> >>> Must we always begin with the assumption that growth in terms of >>> geographical/geometric, material and energy consumption/appropriation are >>> requisite to continuing/growing a "prosperous society"? Tangentially (or >>> not), if "green" hydrogen implies a 2:1 ratio of CO2 production to H2 but >>> often begins with fossil fuels, it is obviously yet another "kick the can >>> down the road" solution. Harvesting solar and direct-solar/lunar-derived >>> energy (including wind, tidal) and channeling it through our living >>> (including technological infrastructure and agri-industry) systems to yield >>> high-entropy "waste heat" seems to be orders of magnitude more sustainable >>> (if still questionable on some very long time-scale limited by a >>> Dyson-Sphere-like-limit). If the H2 is created by cracking H20 (and >>> capturing both to be recombined later to release energy) using solar (and >>> other renewables) energy it is a *closed cycle*. One would presume the >>> total amount of H2 we would have stored/ >>> >>> From ecology there comes the observed phenomena of "island syndrome" >>> which can include island dwarfism and poikilothermy which are both driven >>> by reducing the demand on finite resources without giving up function or >>> complexity. >>> >>> From Alexander Payne comes the absurdist SciFi flick Downsizing >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downsizing_(film)#Plot> which postulates >>> by shrinking humans by ???-fold (5 inches tall ~= 12:1 in 1 dimension, >>> 144:1 in cross section and 1728:1 in volume/mass... ) the movie implies no >>> change in metabolic rates which would nominally speed up with "shrinkage", >>> yielding (also) shorter lifespans. Oh well.. Fiction. But the point >>> would seem well taken... Gaia would get a 2000:1 reprieve from our >>> *current* energy/mass burden on her systems. >>> >>> I'm not promoting shrinking people as-such, just noting that our 0th >>> order instinct is growth, and supralinear if at all possible, up to and >>> likely achieving Kurzweillian asymptotic resource consumption. >>> >>> On that note, I believe that the myriad technological singularity >>> concepts all point toward increased complexity and downscaling to extend >>> the use of material and energy, driving up the effective collective >>> metabolism of "the system" and paradoxically *increasing* the rate at which >>> we approach any of the jillion ecophagic gray-goo >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo>-like scenarios neo-luddites >>> like me might contrive. >>> >>> I assume (but have not yet poked around for) that Alifers have already >>> studied the multi-scale *structure* of negative entropy profiles in complex >>> systems-of-systems. I think Glen has his ear closer to that rail than >>> some here? EricS? ??? I'm still fascinated in the topic but gave up my >>> little-toenail-purchase in the community in the early 2000s - Symbiotic >>> Intelligence ALifeVI >>> <https://cseweb.ucsd.edu//~rik/alife6/papers/SY51.html>. This reads >>> so naive yet (mildly) prophetic now... >>> >>> All is lost! Flee the solar system! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Grey hydrogen? >>> >>> >>> https://retakeourdemocracy.org/2022/02/06/another-stunning-hydrogen-development/ >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - >>> . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - >>> . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >
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