Oh, they're definitely activists. The question is one of how easy a target is 
Neuralink? One of the reasons actual medical research facilities aren't 
successfully targeted by influence campaigns is because they do the actual work 
to treat animals as well as they can be given their role as means to an end. If 
Neuralink is just a shitty place doing shitty research, then they put us all at 
risk. Those of us who do believe in their supposed mission need to forcefully 
correct their stupidity as soon as possible regardless of the activist 
motivations behind the canary in the coal mine.


On 2/14/22 09:59, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It's also possible that the PCRM is being activist:  The idea of it is horrible 
to them, and that's the smoke.  Where there's smoke there must be fire.
Imagine how the anti-vaxxers will react when talk of robots stitching threads 
into their brain starts.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
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Subject: [FRIAM] by any means necessary

Animal-rights group says monkeys used in experiments for Elon Musk's Neuralink 
were subjected to 'extreme suffering'
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-neuralink-experiments-monkeys-extreme-suffering-animal-rights-group-2022-2

Elon Musk’s Neuralink allegedly subjected monkeys to ‘extreme suffering’
https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/elon-musks-neuralink-allegedly-subjected-monkeys-to-extreme-suffering/

I've never quite settled out to a strong opinion on animal research. Since I'm mostly 
consequentialist, the *actual* ends [⛧] tend to rule out in my mind. But cause doesn't come in pure 
chains. It's a mesh, at best, an unquantifiable fractal at worst. So the means to the end are never 
merely means, they're always ends, in themselves. Utilitarians tend to abstract out seeming 
"no-ops" or "don't-cares", as if there were, in actuality, epiphenomena. But 
there are no such things. If that makes me a Vico-ist, that's fine. How you treat the animals is 
not merely a social side interest. It's a core part of good science and good engineering ... like 
keeping a good notebook.

Musk is (now) a huckster, exploiting the good will and childish optimism of 
dorks everywhere.


[⛧] By "actual", I don't mean whatever ends the actors have in mind when they 
launch the action mesh, but the outcome over time. Of course, that's fraught and requires 
some scholarship and ability to track the mesh as it unfolds. But one does the best they 
can. Whatever brainfarts some moron like Musk has in his mind prior to launch is largely 
irrelevant. We're all fans of scifi. The trick is being able to distinguish fact from 
fantasy.


--
glen
When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.


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