When I first encountered the term "neuro-diverse" and thought (similar time frame) about "anti-social" I found a lot more wiggle room for appreciating the many ways people present and in fact *are*!
Your (glen) attempt to place yourself on (the extreme of?) a couple of axes, is part of that apprehension. When Doug shouted onlist "Glen, you can sure be an A**hole sometimes!" he was not wrong, but that said as much about how he *took* your trickster/contrarian style as it was about your intent (or so I surmise, who knows really?). I can't speak for the whole list, but many of us *seem* to thrive on your contrarian style. Even when I think you are *trying* to be mean, it feels more trickster-esque than not... possibly a complete misread on my part, but maybe just what I need? I guess that makes you an "accidental" or "reluctant" tool of sorts (perjorative noted but not intended)?
Your reference to "scooter traffic in India" had such a perfect resonance with the Scooter/MC/Car/Bus traffic in Paris I experienced (as a rental-car driver from the wide open US Southwest) it. That could have been appalling, especially the circum-ambulation of the Arc du Triomphe! I was intrigued as much as appalled as I lurched my way through the lurching traffic trying to get to the other side. I felt like a Salmon running upstream to mate, but caught in a maelstrom of sorts. I loved/hated every other vehicle(driver) I saw/encountered in that mass whirlpool (that goes on at different intensities every hour of every day and night of every year?)... you would have loved (and/or hated) it in a completely different way?
I'm sorry/not-sorry if this comes off as a compliment (or a criticism?) because I am sure I meant it to be the other thing.
On 6/6/22 6:29 PM, glen wrote:
Ha! Well, IDK what "misanthropic" means. The accusation is lobbed at me all the time because I don't enjoy hugs or other sorts of uninvited touching and because I prefer criticism over compliments. But I think the word carries different meanings in different contexts. While I'm not fond of most human organisms, I *am* fond of the structures they create ... their nests (apartments and cities), the fossils from their behaviors (art, books), etc. I'm even fond of their large scale, collective behaviors (like mosh pits and scooter traffic in India). If there's a word for "hates humans but loves humankind", then I'm nearly there.On 6/6/22 10:08, Marcus Daniels wrote:Why can’t we all just be misanthropic and call it even?On Jun 6, 2022, at 8:44 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote:Ya gotta love PZ. I don't know if he's a good biologist. But he's a great critic, especially when he takes on members of the manosphere:https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2022/06/04/pz-takes-on-jordan-peterson-and-richard-dawkins/I know Dawkins might not be thought of as a member of the manosphere <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere> ... but I think he ranks, not least for his explicit and unnecessary opinions on trans people. [sigh] What are the signs one's cultural homunculus has corrupted one's scientific homunculus? And can the latter be returned to a healthy state after such corruption?I'm knee deep in Mouffe's Agonistics: https://bookshop.org/books/agonistics-thinking-the-world-politically/9781781681039 So far, it appeals to my anarcho-syndicalist and postmodern sympathies. I'm at risk of being programmed by the text, though. Luckily, I read so slow and comprehend so little, any programming will be buggy: https://youtu.be/2j3adcbEwSM?t=52
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