I don’t get it. It seems undisciplined to put his successful companies at risk to buy this money loser, while at the same time getting all this bad press.
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 5:11 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah, I deleted all my Tweets, unfollowed everyone, and removed all my > followers. Musk is an asshole. I know my lack of participation means nothing. > But at least I won't be (as) complicit. There are no good billionaires > <https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2022/09/21/dont-trust-the-good-billionaires/>. > > It's interesting how, in some cases, the existence of the most horrible of > any species (e.g. Uihlein > <https://www.propublica.org/article/uline-uihlein-election-denial>) can make > the others seem "good". It's like a murderer saying "At least I'm not a > rapist." Or a rapist saying "At least I'm not a pedophile." And a pedophile > saying "At least I don't kill 'em." Honor among thieves. > > As SteveS mentioned earlier, I'm almost diametrically opposed to effective > altruism for exactly this reason. The argument is basically: Hustle! Then > Dole. I'm willing to change my mind. > https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/YgbpxJmEdFhFGpqci/winners-of-the-ea-criticism-and-red-teaming-contest > > Even when we give Billionaires [ptouie] the benefit of the doubt, forgive > them for their rapacious and exploitative methods, and > say "At least they're doing Good Things, now", the Hustle! Then Dole > lifestyle hones/perfects dystopian Taylorism > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Winslow_Taylor>. It's only when > these old codgers begin to see Death a little more clearly, do they discover > some sort of moral frame, while (metaphorically) meditating at the edge of > their infinity pool built on the ridgeline of some desert mountain range. > And, as we see in Musk, their lifetime of isolation within the outsized scope > of their own influence (because, well, money is God, omnipresent, omniscient, > etc.), puts them at risk of dimension reducing attractors like most > individualist, right-wing causes. E.g. "free speech" (distinct from free > speech, with no quotes). > >> On 10/30/22 11:37, Jochen Fromm wrote: >> Until now I have used 3 Twitter accounts for scientific, development and >> personal stuff. I have used them more frequently since Google+ was shut >> down. One main reason why I do not use Facebook or Instagram is Mark >> Zuckerberg. As Grady Booch used to say "Facebook is a profoundly unethical >> company, and it starts at the top, with Mark Zuckerberg". >> For Twitter it is similar now. I really don't want to support a platform >> that belongs to someone who likes to insult others, like Garry Kasparov or >> the real Tesla founder Martin Eberhard or many others, just the way Trump >> likes to do it. >> The note for advertisers was plain marketing. His intention to save the >> world? A lie. This town square stuff? Nonsense. He certainly didn't write >> this, it was more likely written by Twitter's CCO Sarah Personette and her >> team. However, he has created his own hell by buying the platform he is >> addicted to. >> https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation >> I am using Mastodon instead now, which does not belong to an egomanic or >> eccentric billionaire. Yes, it is named after an animal which died out at >> the end of the Pleistoscene, but the distributed and decentralized approach >> is much better than having one big centralized system. My new Mastodon >> accounts are here: >> fediscience.org/@cas_group >> berlin.social/@JochenFromm >> ruby.social/@jofr >> -J. >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Steve Smith <[email protected]> >> Date: 10/30/22 6:50 PM (GMT+01:00) >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: [FRIAM] (not) leaving Twitter >> https://mashable.com/article/please-stop-tweeting-leaving-twitter >> https://mashable.com/article/i-was-going-to-quit-twitter-but-elon-musk-takeover >> I have a *very* limited twitter engagement myself. Same with FB and *zero* >> with anything else *but* Instagram where I restrict myself to viewing and >> posting and liking the equivalent of "family" snapshots for my family and >> closer friends. >> I tried *mostly* to ignore the implications of a Musk privatization-takeover >> of Twitter during all the on-again off-again period but/and now as it has >> become a "done deal" I feel more able to engage in thinking about that >> (unable to avoid thinking about that?). I thought I might >> de-activate/delete my nearly unused account when I discovered that I had a >> renewed interest (morbid fascination) in watching it spin out (decohere) or >> not from the front row. I found myself looking for whether Musk's magic >> pixie dust would somehow trigger a phase transition (likely there will be >> one, but probably not the kind most of us hope for). >> Earlier discussions on *this* forum touched on what would make for a proper >> *metaverse* (not the one Zuckerberg is trying to create from whole-cloth). >> My (very loose) engagement with the Cardano/Catalyst work and interest in >> blockchain is motivated by this as well. >> Musk's attempts to characterize Twitter as a "town square" feels very >> off-base in many ways: >> >> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-twitter-is-unlikely-to-become-the-digital-town-square-elon-musk-envisions/ >> What do "town squares" look like in "company towns"? And why does most >> social media so often feel more like a rolling street-brawl? >> I worked *peripherally* on a project at LANL trying to address the >> possibilities/implications roughly 30 years ago: >> http://library.sciencemadness.org/lanl1_a/lib-www/pubs/00285557.pdf >> there were some good insights, but it was all so young and fresh and raw at >> the same time... > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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