Steve wrote "In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy ".
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my boss at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, a Division of Carnegie Mellon. He was a devout Catholic and a particle physicist. I asked him how he reconciled his faith and his work. He said, "Two different worlds." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 9:04 AM steve smith <[email protected]> wrote: > EricS/DaveW > > Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of choosing, is > not contained within the formal system. Alongside the formal system, the > program of living as it is realized is yet-another thing in the world, of a > different kind. > > This is downright poetic. > > It echoes Schweitzer's "I am life that wills to live, in the midst of life > that wills to live." which I tend to generalize to "Life is that which > wills to live amongst that which wills to live". > > And Schopenhauer's "Life is a language in which certain truths are > conveyed to us; if we could learn them in some other way, we should not > live." Many things you reference related to language reminds me of > Schopenhauer's proto-thoughts from another era in his "The World as Will > and Representation" > > I appreciated your acknowledgement of DaveWs willingness ability to > articulate-in/defer-to an analytic language or stylization of expression > while holding true to his inner experience which is of a different kind. > (as I understood it). I attribute "effing the ineffable" to him, though > that may be my projection. I find it brilliant. > > In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an > agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy but rather > finding them both persuasive in their own domains and useful even to myself > as I wander between them or walk a fine line just one side or the other > noticing the other-other as phantasms dancing just beyond some veil. > Perhaps having my corpus callosum split would help me return to the naive > but perhaps more natural state implied by Julian Jayne's "Bicameral Mind" > concept (recently re-introduced here by Jochen, tyvm). I can't say that > the meta-cognitive dissonance the co-munnication causes me much distress > but I suspect that it is a source of a lot of my correspondents disconcert > with some of my method/madness seeming conflations? Let the muddle > proceed... > > In a sociospiritual domain, what you say about "choice" resonates with my > own experience of probability vs possibility. Life is that which seeks to > exploit probabilities to explore possibilities more efficiently (amongst > other systems following the same program)? > > this is getting deep and layered as it always does when I attempt to *eff > the ineffable* ... but the central theme of emergence appears to be the > generalization of this? > > Glen, if he has been able to wade this deep in my mumbled musings, has > tried (I believe) to raise something like this when he has railed against > (or merely questioned) the use of the term "levels" to talk (I think) about > emergence? it is all tied in with the semiotics of affordances as well? > Guerin has endured this question from me before... > > Mumble, > > - Steve > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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