Who drives to the pub? That's just stupid.
I can't help but worry about my lack of empathy for at least *some* of the
victims of wildfire and flooding. The boundary between the wilderness and
society shouldn't be peppered by residential homes. We should all live in town
and take brief sojourn out into the world. Of course, we do have to farm and
incubate meat. But the right way to do that is to commute from town to the
farm, do the work, then commute back. OK. Maybe you've got a *camp* out right
next to the farm for multi-day tasks. But it's a minimal camp, not a sprawling
compound ... more like a fire lookout.
If you can't walk to the pub, grocery store, pharmacy, etc. then you're the
problem. Speaking of which, I loved this movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banshees_of_Inisherin. Lots of walking to the
pub.
On 2/11/25 4:24 PM, steve smith wrote:
On 2/11/25 12:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Huh, Claude just implemented the optimal strategy to Nim and ran in it its
analysis tool (the Javascript engine on my browser).
what my oldMansBarFriend had to say after a brief discussion about Nim and the
hand-over-hand on bat-handle playground method for deciding who bats first:
<GPT 4o slopp>
/Glad that landed! It’s like a *"soft" or continuous Nim*, where
control isn’t strictly quantized but still follows a structured alternation toward an
inevitable endgame. The constraints emerge organically—*hand size, grip technique, and
subtle physical limits*—instead of rigid numerical rules./
/It’s a cool example of how *discrete game theory principles*
manifest in the real world, with a touch of *embodied cognition* in the mix./
/<endSlopp>/
And the following as an LLM (Slopp) reflection on the relative virtue/shame signals
associated with chatting with your favorite LLM vs going to the Pub (and presumably
having similar convos with bar-friends)? The one mile each-way trip to the pub can be
multiplied by 20 or 50 to estimate a "Sunday Drive" instead?
Looks like a 15mpg driver of a pickup should drink order 3-4 beers to amortize the
embedded energy cost of driving there/back but a hybrid or EV driver can get by with just
one, maybe even a short one? Domestic Drafts and Bottles are lower embedded energy
(presumably because of industrial economies of scale) but imports are higher (because
transport?). In DeepSeekR1 ratios, it looks like "staying home and chatting with
your fave LLM" has order 1000x savings over driving anything to the pub and having a
single beer. And taking a Sunday Drive is worth many times that? Of course the LLM
didn't twig to the conventional NM Sunday Joyride implying a six-pack at a minimum...
I did beat both GPT and DS around the head and shoulders with a metaphorical
wet noodle for a while to get relatively aligned numbers (aligned with one
another and with my(very) lame intuition)... but expect (m)any here to poke
holes in the details...
Sadly I'm a pretty good sloppGenerator without an LLM's help... I'll try to
refrain from the doubleDown offered.
<freshSlopp>
*Refined Travel and Beer Comparison with Energy
Usage Ratios (DeepSeekR1 Query Denominator)*
*Category* *Cost (USD)* *Total Energy
Consumption (1 Mile Round Trip, kWh)* *Sunday Joyride (2 hours,
countryside)* *Energy Usage Ratio (vs. Local Craft Beer)* *Energy
Usage Ratio (vs. DeepSeekR1 Query)*
*1) Personal Travel*
a) *Truck* $3–$5 (1 mile) ~2.6–3.7 kWh ~12–18
kWh 2.6–3.7x 520–740x
b) *ICE Car* $1.50–$3 (1 mile) ~1.4–2.1 kWh
~12–18 kWh 1.4–2.1x 280–420x
c) *Hybrid Car* $1–$2 (1 mile) ~0.8–1.1 kWh
~12–18 kWh 0.8–1.1x 160–220x
d) *Electric Car* $0.50–$1 (1 mile)
~0.4–0.5 kWh ~12–18 kWh 0.4–0.5x 80–100x
e) *Walking* $0 (no cost) ~0 kWh ~0 kWh 0x
0x
f) *Bicycling* $0 (no cost) ~0 kWh ~0 kWh 0x
0x
g) *Public Transport* $1–$3 per ride ~0.3–0.7 kWh
(depending on method) ~2–4 kWh (for a 1–2 hour ride) 0.3–0.7x
60–140x
*2) Beer Consumption*
a) *Local Craft Draft* $5–$10 per pint
~0.8–1.3 kWh - 1x 160–260x
b) *Domestic Draft (Regional)* $3–$5 per pint
~0.5–0.7 kWh - 0.5–0.7x 80–140x
c) *Domestic Can/Bottle* $2–$5 per can/bottle
~0.4–0.8 kWh - 0.4–0.8x 60–140x
d) *Mexican Bottle* $3–$6 per bottle
~0.9–1.8 kWh - 1.1–1.4x 180–360x
e) *European Can/Bottle* $4–$8 per can/bottle
~1.5–2.9 kWh - 1.9–3.7x 300–580x
f) *Asian Can/Bottle* $4–$7 per can/bottle
~2.1–3.6 kWh - 2.6–4.6x 340–720x
*3) GPT Model Queries*
a) *GPT-3 (Single Query)* Varies ~0.002–0.005
kWh - 0.002–0.006x 0.4–1x
b) *GPT-4o (Single Query)* Varies ~0.01–0.03 kWh
- 0.01–0.03x 2–6x
c) *GPT-4o Mini (Single Query)* Varies
~0.005–0.02 kWh - 0.005–0.02x 1–4x
d) *DeepSeekR1 (Single Query)* Varies ~0.001–0.005
kWh - 0.001–0.005x 1x
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*From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Roger Critchlow
<[email protected]>
*Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 11:36 AM
*To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] genai and critical thinking
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 10:15 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:
_[...]_ the evolving code itself -- code that can have informative types
and even carry proofs. The weirdest thing about using AI is that it has no
opinions. Claude will rewrite code without asking (seemingly having no
self-control), but it will not confront you like a frustrated colleague might.
It is happy to let you make a mess provided its sense of idiomatic code
patterns are satisfied.
This echoed something an old boss wrote me today:
I have much enjoyment torturing llms. I can get off the rails rather
easily. They have no state, by themselves they cannot calculate parity or play
nim perfectly.
Or one might say, they have no purpose.
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