But Roger's point still stands, AFAIK. I can imagine some group has allocated
the resources to an LLM to simply explore, say, mathematics with a APIs to
things like Sage, Lean, et al. All it would take is for some importation of a
real random number that pricks the LLM to go query the APIs with arbitrary
questions ... and keep following that thread until it got bored (whatever it
might mean for an LLM to get bored ... maybe if it pings the APIs several
thousand times and the variation in the repsonses is below some epsilon - or
the variation stays above some constant). Then the real random number generator
would prick it again and off it goes again. I can imagine it. But who would
fund such a thing?
Regardless of all the other differences between an LLM and a human, this one
seems fundamental ... the impetus to keep chunking along rather than being
mostly reactionary. I have zero idea why Dave's heart still beats. But I do
have some idea about why my own does. While it may seem like it's of its own
accord, it's not. There's a little random number generator in there somewhere.
When it stops poking me, I suspect I'll drop dead. And it won't matter how, or
what with, I'm prompted because I'll be dead. 8^D
GPT and Claude won't die. They may stop reacting. But they can't die because they don't
have that little urge driving them. They can't die. They're just really big databases
with "natural" interfaces.
Useless anecdote. A "friend" once insulted me by saying "you're the most consistent
person I know". He said that because we'd just started talking again after a long hiatus. The
main reason that's an insult is because it falsified, or seemed to depending on our estimation of
his abilities, all the changes I thought I'd gone through during the hiatus.
On 2/13/25 10:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Consider a (hyper) box of available knowledge. Knowledge includes skills and descriptions of experiences. We live our lives visiting different but overlapping small parts of this box. LLMs vacuum-up more knowledge than any one person can consume or create. With steadily increasing fidelity and generality they capture it. Private subjective experiences of human individuals are not recorded at all. If they were, they’d be hoovered up by the LLM and generalized -- many subjective experiences will be recorded because they will be described in biographies, blogs, art and so on. Since LLMs are universal interpolators, they will likely be better at mimicking human reports of feelings than say, I would be. The LLM has seen more of humanity than I have, albeit through a portal that is very different than my suite of sensors. The diversity and bandwidth of sensors could likely be made competitive to my sensors. Olfaction and tactile sensitivity will take some work, I
suppose. As you point, out, there is copious pornography (and other sorts of hedonism) multimodal LLMs could hoover up to understand the human condition.
LLMs now suffer from batching of their “consciousness”. Pretraining takes
months. LLMs are now forever behind on current events. Refinement of training
by reflection on queries is also delayed by as much or more. In contrast, I
also have some latency in my perceptual systems. My reaction time is maybe
a1/10^th of a second, compared to microseconds for a microprocessor. (The
coding speed of LLMs is essentially instantaneous compared to humans.) It
seems to me this is just a question of scale, not a qualitative difference. In
any case, the batching is something that can be driven down with engineering.
*From:*Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
*Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:46 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [FRIAM] a davew-ism
A very personal narrative that you might not want to engage. If so, please
simply ignore and delete.
Centers on the question of AI “intelligence/consciousness.”
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1-I started reading by the age of four, mostly comic books (some were
quasi-non-fiction, like /Donald Duck in Mathemagic Land/) and “children’s
literature.” I have read more than 10,000 books in my lifetime, averaging .75
per day. A reasonably large “training set.”
2-Through high school, my reading focused on Science Fiction, Science
(astrophysics, astronomy, quantum physics, some math, some biology), and Porn.
(I was a fixture in a bookstore in Albuquerque that had an adult back room and
no one noticed if I disappeared there for an hour or two.) However, the science
fiction, in particular, often created an interest in reading about the ideas
presented in the novel. For example, A.E. van Vogt’s, /World of Null-A/, led me
to read Korzibski’s /Manhood of Humanity/ and /Science and Sanity/ by the age
of 10: An episode of /The Outer Limits/, prompted me to read Kant’s /Critique
of Pure Reason/; Vonnegut’s /Sirens of Titan/ was shelved in SF and that led
to reading /Cat’s Cradle/ and more.
3- I have always been pretty good at remembering, integrating, correlating, and
recalling what I have read.
4-Freshman year of high-school, scored 187 on IQ test. Used that result to
become the youngest, at that time, member of Mensa. (I still have membership
card and yellow map pin, plus copy of Salt Lake Tribune columnist’s article.) I
won a National Merit Scholarship and my SAT scores were 99 percentiles in
language, 87th in math. (I took the GRE in History for grad school and scored
a 98th percentile despite never taking a course in western history since
high-school.) *NOTE: this does not mean I am intelligent, only that my
“knowledge base” was greater than that of people 20 years my senior. *All that
reading!
5-I “suffer???” from a psychological disconnect, psychopathic-like, from other
people. I do not ‘feel’, do not experience, do not empathize with others. I
lack any kind of ‘conscience’ or external morality. I do have a kind of
‘receptive empathy’ in that I sense, receive as inputs, the emotions and
feelings of others, but have no internal sense of same. Sometimes, I use the
analogy of an old-fashioned radio, all antenna but no crystal resonating to the
signals received. (I do have “appetites:” wanting to know everything, wanting
to experience everything (at least once), and constantly craving more complex
and intense sensations/experiences. (I don’t do opium, coke, alcohol, etc.
because the experiences are repetitive but love hallucinogens for the exact
opposite reason.)
6-Today, I am a "good Christian," *IN* the World, but no *OF* it. Or, more
accurately, akin to the homunculus in Searle’s Chinese Room. I receive massive amounts of
input from and about human beings and their inner ‘being’, use my reasonably large
knowledge-base to flawlessly interpret those inputs (surprisingly, perhaps, the porn
actually helps in this regard), and generate a, mostly, flawless projection of myself as
a human being. I do not experience, intrinsically, what other humans experience; do not
‘feel’ what other humans ‘feel.” This is a criticism oft made of computer-based AI,
arguing against their being conscious/aware/intelligent. I am also pretty good at
providing reasonable answers to a large variety of questions.
7-Am I an AI?
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