Lol. No. "Harden" is metaphorical. Cultural and social norms aren't really
artifacts. But you'd be right to say the artifact-process dichotomy is false. Norms are
mediated by artifacts and vice versa. So for example if it's a norm to help your neighbor
feed their chickens while they're in DC defending their job, then chickens (and eggs, and
chicken coops, etc.) mediate that behavior. Hardening such a norm consists of a
commitment to doing it, ensuring a backup if you're not available when they need it. Etc.
Another example would be recommending, say, a contractor to build something or perform
some task. A hardened inclusion process would be to actually vet the person before
recommending them ... a bit like encouraging we send money to this billionaire just
because his family is performatively contraposed to that billionaire.
All that sort of hardening of processes is shunted by convenience. It's convenient
to argue with ChatGPT instead of arguing with and learning from actually
intelligent people ... like playing chess against a computer because you can't be
bothered to go to the park or chess club. Same with shopping at a superstore like
Costco that sells motor oil right alongside the mayonnaise. Hardening one's supply
chain means going to the tire shop for tires, the bakery for bread, and ... well,
I don't have any idea what kind of person makes mayonnaise, because I find
mayonnaise disgusting. >8^D
The same is true for anarchist or protest networks. Yeah, Signal is better than Discord
(or gods forbid, facebook). But it's still no substitute for meeting at the coffee shop
(or as a friend of mine said "behind the 7-Eleven").
On 3/17/25 9:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Aren’t hardened processes artifacts, as a practical matter?
*From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of glen
<[email protected]>
*Date: *Monday, March 17, 2025 at 8:58 AM
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*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] MUsk + trUMP's = MUMPS
Yeah, you and I will be dead. But someone will be alive. I have a friend who laments all
the (human) suffering Trump 2.0 will cause. My view is that "we" have been
suffering for hundreds of millenia. Harris wouldn't have stopped it. The Rationalists
working to thwart Roko's basilisk won't stop it. Trump 2.0 will be a tiny blip on the
suffering curve. The best we can do is (every so slightly) harden the processes by which
the universe is understood ... not harden the artifacts the processes create ... harden
the processes that create the artifacts. There is no such thing as knowledge, only
curiosity.
On 3/17/25 7:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Annealing is a slow heuristic given the speed of human nervous systems. We'll
probably be dead before a low energy is found again. Maybe if our AI
overlords lay down the law.
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cf.
https://www.univ-amu.fr/en/public/actualites/safe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-ready-welcome-american-scientists
<https://www.univ-amu.fr/en/public/actualites/safe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-ready-welcome-american-scientists>
FWIW, I'd prefer Germany over France ... but maybe only because I've been there
a lot more. I've only been to Paris and Grenoble. But I'm also not a scientist;
so it's a bit moot. Canada is more likely. But Eric's right. I'd prefer to
stay, mitigate and re-build to whatever extent I can. And, in principle, a
little annealing might be a good thing for us. There are defects captured in
the bureaucratic crystal. I remember a long conversation including Nick and a
few others about how negatively they react to bureaucracy they do not like. It
was ironic that I was the only one defending bureaucracy. Sometimes the
bathwater *is* the baby.
On 3/16/25 2:16 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
American scientists who want to come to good old Europe are welcome
here. I believe we have better and healthier food too (which is not
difficult because the U.S. is famous for fast food and fast food is as
everybody knows really not good for you)
https://www.cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/scientists-run-again
<https://www.cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/scientists-run-again>
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