Obviously, there's such a thing as "fair use". My own answers would be, under current US Law, many
of the papers on sci-hub are illegally distributed. And if it can be established that "she" knew
that her access to them was illegal, then "she" should be prosecuted in the same way a human would
be.
And similar to holding parents responsible for gun violence if they didn't lock up the gun, if
"she" can't be held liable, then the data center(s) upon which "she" executes
should be held liable. And if the data centers can't be held liable, then the owners/operators of
the model and data centers should be.
Of course, lots of humans access sci-hub and aren't prosecuted. So the rhetoric shifts to
the produce (as in the Meta case). As long as "her" product was not
near-verbatim and as long as the derived works abide by citation/credit rules, then
nothing untoward happened.
On the other hand, no human has the productivity and reach "she" does. And that productivity and
reach are not a function of "her" so much as a function of "her" owners (as Steve points
out). In the same way non-autonomous things like cars or fire-and-forget missiles have a kind of transitivity
for their liability (no, the missiles aren't responsible for dead Palestinians and Ukrainians, Israel and
Russia are responsible), it translates through to their owners/operators.
I don't see how any of that is all that confusing, in principle. In practice, that's why
we have lawyers and why we pay them so much. To think of an LLM as analogous to a 40 year
old woman is just false for the foreseeable future. It reminds me of the "von
Neumann machines" from scifi ... or maybe Elno's progression of lies around FSD.
But the LLMs do show that the laws are obsolete and need to be rewritten, which
won't happen with an octogenarian legislature.
On 4/14/25 11:31 AM, steve smith wrote:
On 4/14/25 12:23 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Let’s say that in some obscure corner of the world there’s a freakishly
intelligent child that reads 100 papers from sci-hub and arxiv every day and
keeps doing this until she’s 40. Her comprehension is high and her reasoning
unmatched. She sees how to apply these models within the fields where they
were proposed and in others and can synthesize high-quality engineering
solutions at will.
Has she stolen something? sci-hub did the distribution, so it is not
technically her copyright violation.
Let's say that she was not a free agent but birthed and raised by an autocratic
leader (e.g. PRK, CCCP, Russia, ???)...
Does that change anything? I can't say. Splitting hairs can be such hard
work! But apparently that makes it good (necessary) work!
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