Yeah. But I still think there's some degenerate limit to the variation of singular Grand
Unified LLMs. Yes, such an LLM can be prompted to exhibit a bias (personality, idiom,
language, etc.). But we have an existence proof (humans) that localized
"agents", that aren't trained on *all* (or a very big lot) of the data, exhibit
the variety present across the data sets.
So it seems the best way to suck the weirdos down various rabbit holes (and
thereby neutralize them) is with a variety of LMs (not Large) specific to a
variety of domains. Similarly, we might be able to train some of the LMs in
deprogramming techniques, each set of techniques matched to the type of rabbit
hole they're in.
cf https://flower.ai/blog/2025-03-19-flower-vana-federated-dao/
On 5/1/25 8:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
The Zurich researchers (pranksters?) demonstrated a compelling capability IMO.
To reasonable humans there's a point at which advocacy and activism just take
too much time. But what if it were just a matter of getting more energy and
more GPUs? Every reactionary on social media could be exhausted. They would
have no more time to cause trouble.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd
Ha! Yeah. It reminds me of a problem I have with a colleague. Whenever the boss asks for it,
they're happy to generate slides for a presentation or pretty pictures snapped from some app or
another. But when you ask them for actual code (and data for that code), their answer is always
something like "It's not quite ready to share" or "It's a research project and the
code is all messy." [grrrr]
Alex *talking* to ChatGPT and trying to elicit the paradox by gum-flapping (or
pulses through a voice coil) hearkens back to the idea that a thing can only be
approximately understood through informal language and the problems with
ordinary language philosophy.
It also targets Nick's understanding of what Wittgenstein was talking about. Persnickety old Ludwig
wasn't using "ordinary language". When he says "The world is composed of facts, not
things", he makes it fairly clear he's *not* talking about ontology, but (nearly) ungrounded
logic, all syntax. At some point in Alex's chat, he/they talk/s about the unreasonable efficacy of
math. And the paradox is so On the Tip of its Voice Coil, I could barely stand it.
On 5/1/25 6:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Did they establish a coordinate and geometry system for the hands? I would
have asked for source code to a simulation using Bullet physics and had the
game engine detect the point of collision.
-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 6:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FRIAM] absurd
This is what I imagine y'all are doing when you chat with LLMs:
Confusing ChatGPT With an Impossible Paradox
https://youtu.be/1qbiCKrbbYc?si=V8U_mioTmlaDpynM
At times, it smacks of a Monty Python skit.
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