Dunno how much one should read into a promotional piece from the maker, esp. in this area. But…
One of their summary comments is that it did a bad job of business because it was a platform with many frozen elements selected for being “helpful”. The question “helpful to whom, and for what” was the origin of mechanism design in game theory. I wonder what an MD layer inserted into the operating structure would look like. Since they are willing to insert lots of other tools as modules. > On Dec 19, 2025, at 13:22, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kind of speaks to this view.. > > https://www.anthropic.com/research/project-vend-2 > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.anthropic.com%2fresearch%2fproject-vend-2&c=E,1,M0joysvmI7zwO0zjhClGxdyQFoafDDovQquaif9iKUsa5IB1oVrb2FvKy1sD4eN7RJnMuIALXDkc5-7FEVua1jZPxz4r4IGmd7yh3uICVUy_HQqx8Jnl-TPL217R&typo=1> > > From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on > behalf of glen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2025 at 9:36 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigly > > I tend to think intelligence (or consciousness or sentience) comes from > sensorimotor interactions. So the moral status of a gold fish (or even better > an RNA protocell) is higher than that of super-intelligence ... depending, of > course, on what we mean by "super". If it means "other dimensions" or even > "meta", then *maybe* it has higher status. But if it means "higher order" or > "further derived", then it has lower moral status than the *source* material > from which it's derived. > > So I'd consider a creature with a high dimensional sensorimotor surface ... > what? an octopus maybe? ... to have higher moral status than, say, a human > with it's paltry 5± senses. Of course, this is fraught because if we > decompose something like "smell" or "touch", it gets more complex than a > single dimension, with a variety of different receptors for each "sense". > > Whatever, though. My intention is to call out the difference between many > ways of interacting with the world versus sophisticated inference from a few > ways of interacting with the world. So Claude/Clawd don't cut the mustard ... > yet. What is the real difference between a rich type system with low > throughput and a simple type system with high throughput? To boot, it's > conceivable that creatures with intense/dense inferential organs are > *prevented* from being in tune with the world. I did a bit of a deep dive the > other day on the ~25-33% of people who experience significant adverse > reactions to meditative and mindfulness practice (~6-14% long-lasting). > Gazing at one's belly button isn't healthy for everyone. > > Of course, services like Claude and ChatGPT aren't merely LLMs. They have > tools they can reach out to. But those tools are *also* derived, one might > say of very (!) high order. I mean, Perplexity, Consensus, Asta, et al reach > for sources relatively close to The World because they're classed as > "scientific publications". But when Copilot reaches out to sites like > humanreligions.info > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fhumanreligions.info&c=E,1,0Ji71EqBTL4Xl62IK0OfJQj4Hy4rAeP8XQPa7zWl0lvRp8Oaig25FffddjEBmOyMBfN6IOc-9_3kn2M4Blf7w8Vsqw2nmfPHzuWPnoWF-cJjRIQ,&typo=1&ancr_add=1> > or religionunplugged.com > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2freligionunplugged.com&c=E,1,tJor5NeUCzRCBfy7i00zpCJfKd3uEvyqehDcEaNdnT1a0P5me6JAnwE2r0R8RNHZ6-qJFwkk65nKS2F629hmuIN0LQYQXTFWElsLk_VbwmULNohdWkyPWP4D&typo=1&ancr_add=1>, > that's not so much interacting with The World as it's interacting with > delusional fantasies, even if "agentic". > > > [±] perhaps including things like proprio- or intero-. > > On 12/16/25 8:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > What the heck is "moral status"? If superintelligence doesn't get moral > > status, then I think nothing will deserve moral status. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > On Behalf Of glen > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2025 8:11 AM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [FRIAM] bigly > > > > https://www.404media.co/anthropic-exec-forces-ai-chatbot-on-gay-discord-community-members-flee/ > > > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.404media.co%2fanthropic-exec-forces-ai-chatbot-on-gay-discord-community-members-flee%2f&c=E,1,qGDwGc2nHCz34edkt_EiSIyfohWXpnarOi1budl0PYXyF6-ClOJSLyRUBHG29B45CJ9w1_u2miNAK6kp1AoC7hZo3A5Hz2A9inNxtbGCX472rOY,&typo=1> > > > > Jason Clinton, Anthropic’s Deputy Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-d-clinton/ > > > > Jason Clinton wrote 🙄: > >> It’s quite a bit more complicated than you’d think: we don’t know what > >> consciousness or sentience is, it’s called the hard problem of > >> consciousness for a reason, [...] > >> > >> We have published research showing that the models have started > >> growing neuron clusters that are highly similar to humans and that > >> they experience something like anxiety and fear. The moral status > >> might be something like the moral status of, say, a goldfish, but they > >> do indeed have latent wants and desires, [...] > > > > I'm not posting to talk about how silly it is to ascribe consciousness to > > an AI bot. Nor am I here to rant, again, about egocentric preemptive > > registration. What irritates me about this is the word "highly". Maybe it's > > just me. But for a decade or so, we've been pelted all day every day with > > sh¡t Trump and his sycophants say. And either they *are* people with > > impoverished vocabularies; or they know they're speaking to such. They tend > > to intensify "weak" words like "similar". Because they're egoist, they > > *must* intensify what they're saying. And because they don't have access to > > better words, they have to intensify the few words they do have, e.g. > > "highly similar". > > > > Were I Jason, I hope I could have had the self-awareness to eliminate > > "highly" and simply write "similar". But a better option is to use stronger > > words <https://www.cjr.org/language_corner/very-trump-tweet-intensifier.php > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cjr.org%2flanguage_corner%2fvery-trump-tweet-intensifier.php&c=E,1,z5dZGphGZszsiMWuuYNLjK_tX78mbuZ8n_Nat-H7ksiZ-6M58GUf44ofunJBRK7AJgspeOUavCkafArINgUUX2bI--7wc2Rq5l8IPgcQrjqV3zvtSyCvWwslmEAN&typo=1>>. > > As with everything about the TACO President, the mask he chooses tells us > > something about what's under that mask. He pretends at strength because > > he's inherently weak. > > > > Of course, maybe it's my pet peeve because I'm also guilty of it? .... No! > > Stop it! "I got it, I got it! 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