On 5/21/26 12:25 pm, glen wrote:
Wasn't me, was Roger who used "metavore".
Thanks for the correction... I *did* follow the earlier part of the
thread but somehow I heard it differently in your "voice"...
And I agree, it's a cool word. Lovecraftian? Maybe.
It's appropriate for those of us who think there's something *more*
going on in humans than what's going on in machines.
Does "effing the ineffable" or "dualist/monist" threads here cover that
or is there (yet) another nuance?
Lovecraft's horrible void is nearly identical to the TESCREALs'
singularity, hypercomputation, or McGilchrist's "right brain" stuff
... but with a negative affect ... horror in the stead of wonder.
With my distance from Lovecraft and all things "horror", I get the sense
that that community deliberately conflates horror and wonder? A sort of
deliberate inversion of affective "near enemies"? When I consider
(dismiss?) it this way, I'm not has horrified by horror as my
instincts/habits push me toward. Maybe I'm softening to it, if not
quite yet a convert.
I figure biology is reasoning and reasoning is biology. Also life is
mechanism and vice versa. But those mappings are way too sloppy.
Biology is a type of reasoning. The reasoning that happens atop/within
biology may be of a different type.
Symbolic thought might be life-itself's fruiting body: a visible,
spore-casting eruption from a mostly hidden mycelium of metabolism,
affect, sensorimotor coupling, social exchange, and ecological constraint?
but different how? You gesture to a bunch of stuff, which is fun. But
can you temporarily role-play 1 and run with it?
I'm not sure if "1" indexed a specific element in my rant/rave or if it
was the generic "any one" but maybe I started that above? My role play
continues to be fungal.
I'd offer as an inflection point (dual to a tangent?) a nod to a recent
Guerin Conversation where he invoked Donna Haraway and Sympoesis which I
was surprised to find roots in more systems science with Beth Demster?
https://artsandculturalstudies.ku.dk/research/art-and-earth/environmental-humanities-glossary/sympoiesis/
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