In my own Metavoric/Ideaphoric style, I found myself following the
growing hyphae of Hesse's Glass Bead Game and Castalians (as the
ulitmate metavores) and Demster/Haraway's coinage of sympoiesis (forgive
earlier misspell) and and the very meta-metaphor of Castalia/GBG and
Autopoeisis as "fruiting bodies which do not recognize or acknowledge
the mycelia and mycorrhizal networks from which they arise.
My brief skim of the linked article on Haraway's use of Sympoiesis
didn't note her reference to "the Chthulucene" nor it's idiosyncratic
spelling to evoke chthonic as well as Cthulhu - curiouser and curiouser
provided by GPT
earthy / underworld / deep-soil *chthonic* Greek *χθών / chthōn*,
earth, ground, underworld
Lovecraft monster/deity *Cthulhu* Lovecraft’s invented name
Haraway’s epoch-word *Chthulucene* from *chthonic* + “-cene,” with
deliberate tentacular resonance near Cthulhu
On 5/21/26 12:25 pm, glen wrote:
Wasn't me, was Roger who used "metavore".
Thanks for the correction... I *did* follow the earlier part of the
thread but somehow I heard it differently in your "voice"...
And I agree, it's a cool word. Lovecraftian? Maybe.
It's appropriate for those of us who think there's something *more*
going on in humans than what's going on in machines.
Does "effing the ineffable" or "dualist/monist" threads here cover
that or is there (yet) another nuance?
Lovecraft's horrible void is nearly identical to the TESCREALs'
singularity, hypercomputation, or McGilchrist's "right brain" stuff
... but with a negative affect ... horror in the stead of wonder.
With my distance from Lovecraft and all things "horror", I get the
sense that that community deliberately conflates horror and wonder? A
sort of deliberate inversion of affective "near enemies"? When I
consider (dismiss?) it this way, I'm not has horrified by horror as my
instincts/habits push me toward. Maybe I'm softening to it, if not
quite yet a convert.
I figure biology is reasoning and reasoning is biology. Also life is
mechanism and vice versa. But those mappings are way too sloppy.
Biology is a type of reasoning. The reasoning that happens
atop/within biology may be of a different type.
Symbolic thought might be life-itself's fruiting body: a visible,
spore-casting eruption from a mostly hidden mycelium of metabolism,
affect, sensorimotor coupling, social exchange, and ecological
constraint?
but different how? You gesture to a bunch of stuff, which is fun. But
can you temporarily role-play 1 and run with it?
I'm not sure if "1" indexed a specific element in my rant/rave or if
it was the generic "any one" but maybe I started that above? My role
play continues to be fungal.
I'd offer as an inflection point (dual to a tangent?) a nod to a
recent Guerin Conversation where he invoked Donna Haraway and
Sympoesis which I was surprised to find roots in more systems science
with Beth Demster?
https://artsandculturalstudies.ku.dk/research/art-and-earth/environmental-humanities-glossary/sympoiesis/
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