One of my guilty pleasures is the Reacher series on Amazon.  The protagonist 
(Alan Ritchson), a beast of a man, finds himself only a bit concerned about his 
latest brush with death.   (These brushes occur several times per episode.)   
This is just what he does and must do.   The only thing he won’t tolerate is 
the reactive individual.   Whatever happened to the male role model that can 
suck up their doubts and fears to push through?

 

From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2026 11:39 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Subjectivity as a spectrum

 

For the new book I have read the famous philsophers like Dennett, Searle, and 
Nagel, and used AIs to summarize their books. Nagel's book "The view frok 
nowhere" is a bit simplistic. Reality is more complex than having just two 
views, subjective and objective, isn't it? 





In the desperate cries of babies we see pure desires and raw emotions. Babies 
are cute but naturally egocentric. Lacking language they only can perceive the 
world in a subjective view, and helpless as they are they need to communicate 
their needs to their parents.





The only view they have is a 1st person view (characterized by "one great 
blooming, buzzing confusion" as William James said, which they interrupt by 
intense bursts of emotions). Everything a toddler perceives is extremely 
subjective. In a sense a toddler knows nothing else.





Grown-ups have learnt to follow social rules and norms. They learned the value 
of politeness and friendliness. They are able to reach a more objective view of 
the world. Thomas Nagel called this view the "view from nowhere" in his book of 
the same name.

 

As we grow older we move along the spectrum from high selfishness to low 
selfishness. We are still driven by emotions and do not become fully objective, 
but we acquire the ability to view the world from an objective view. Nagel 
calls this ability to move from a subjective to an objective view detachment. 
We see it normal child development:

 

Babies -> Toddlers -> Children -> Teenagers -> Grownups

 

There are exceptions: evil psychopaths and vile narcissts are still as selfish 
as toddlers or use emotions to manipulate other people. Artists, musicians, 
poets and critics are intentionally using personal feelings and emotions to be 
creative in their works.

 

Narcissists/pyschopaths (subjectivity for bad purpose) <-> Creative persons 
(subjectivity for good purpose) 

 

Would you agree that seeing subjectivity as a spectrum is more useful that 
postulating only two views (subjective vs. objective) ? ChatGPT has created the 
attached image for it.





-J.

 





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