Re: [Full-disclosure] complaints about the governemnt spying!

[Steve Kudlak]

Totally Offtopic a quote from Catholic School was "The Growth of Christianity was watered with the blood of Martyrs" yep that is what the old Irish Nun told us. SO it is not just an Ayatollah who said it. But anyway it would be nice if we could drift back to more technical discusssions. I was hoping the spying thing would eventually get down to measures and countermesaures and how one protects oneself as not all espionage is not always by a government who at least thinks it is out of the general good. Yeah I worked for various powers that be never in anything real exciting, but anywaty generally that is what we thought. I am less worried about the NSA than private detectives and others like that. A friend once ended up being a part of a mistaken identity problem with some bounty hunters and they made her life quite miserable for awhile and it her a longtime to get remuneration from them for the damage they did to her property during their "friendly little error". Also if one works in a medium sizedf firm there is industrial espionage and admittedly most of that like the bounty hunters and the like do things via "social engineering" like dating the executive secretary or chatting up someone, there still was, and probably still is a moderate amount of electronic stuff going on. In the case of my friend they exploited the fact that most portable phones leak and that was the problem, the people listening could not tell which portable phone they were listening to or so they claimed. So I am hoping a more serious discussion would eventually start. I kind of burn out on the "well my instructor back in 198x or 1999 said thhis was old hat" and even more outright rumours that sound like people who get their information from Hollywood movies that no real encryptionb systems exist becaus they are all compromised etc. etc. etc. Have Fun, Sends Steve Bob Radvanovsky wrote: See comments below. -rad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Horsfall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Full Disclosure List" <full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] complaints about the governemnt spying! On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Stan Bubrouski wrote: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759). That's actually a Benjamin Franklin quote, which is worded about 1000 different ways depending on the source. The above is close; the main points are "essential liberty" and "a little temporary safety". In your example case of aphorisms, you are correct. One is from over 200 years ago, the other less than 40. In the meantime, perhaps some, umm, US patriot could tell me who authored these particular aphorisms: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." This was quoted from General Hummel (actor Ed Harris) from the movie, "The Rock", and was a paraphrased quote from Thomas Jefferson (http://www.monticello.org/reports/quotes/liberty.html) "The Tree of Islam has to be watered with the blood of martyrs." This was quoted from the Ayatollah Khomeini in the late 70's/early 80's, probably just before the uprising within Iran. I'm having trouble seeing the difference. -- Dave, who is not pro-US, so therefore has to be anti-US, according to Shrub _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/

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