Sorry to say the n3td3v group involves employees (rogue) who have called for this. You can ringgle and ranggle your poltical point of users within the MS not having enough time scale to promote to a certain issue, but thats complete crap. One reason being the folks within the n3td3v group are actually people from MS, YAHOO, AOL, etc already. The folks at n3td3v group are part of the industry already, for you to put your point across mr Valdis is cool, but the n3td3v group if you hadent realised before is part of a between the major dot coms.

On 3/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:12:23 GMT, n3td3v said:

> You Microsoft must officially agree that all flaws marked as "Critical" must
> have a patch within 7 to 14 days of public disclosure.

OK... Nice try.

Too bad you didn't add a requirement that the patch actually be *correct*.

Also, you're totally overlooking the fact that *sometimes*, fixing a problem
requires some major re-architecting - for instance, if an API has to be changed,
then *every* caller has to be updated, and quite possibly re-designed, and
the changes have an annoying tendency to ripple outward (if subroutine A
has a 7th parameter added, then everybody who calls A has to be updated.  And
it's likely that you'll find routines B, C, and D that have no *idea* what the
correct value of the parameter should be, because they don't have access to the
data - so now callers of B, C, and D have to pass another parameter that gets
passed to A).

Any company that will commit to a "must" on this one is nuts.  It's a good
target, but making it mandatory is just asking companies to ship a half-baked
patch that seems to fix the PoC rather than the underlying design flaw.

And going back and reviewing the patch history on IE is instructive - more than
once, Microsoft has released a patch for a known _javascript_ flaw, only to find
out within a week that a very slight change would make the exploit work again.

Is that *really* what you want?  It's certainly not what *I* want.  Waiting
another 3-4 days past your arbitrary 14-day limit for a *good* patch is certainly
preferable for those of us who actually have to deal with this stuff for a living,
rather than hide out on a Yahoo group.




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